Russians Behind DNC attack!

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when Obama cuts a deal with Iran, Republicans immediately invite their Israeli sugar daddy to speak in our capitol so they can display their absolute subservience and solidarity with Emperor Zog, and their distaste for any deal that isn't Israel-approved. Talk about foreigners pulling our strings.

I coined the name Darth Jew for our current occupier.

1) the voice and speaking tone (most obvious)
2) violent rhetoric I.e. "never again"
3) obsession with colonization at any cost
4) scare politics
5) secretly funding strawmen bad guys (same as the Trade Federation in star wars)
6) sub-human treatment of non Imperials I. E. Palestine
7) bullshit fraud election making himself an unwanted dictator
8) vows destruction of enemies of the empire

Welp that was plenty to make it stick on the blogs

[Lune]

Are you slobs denying that Trump doesn't serve Russia's interests far more than Clinton? Russia would love to see NATO go down in flames.

Right now there is basically a world alliance, led by the USA, arrayed against anybody who acts against US interests, whether that's China, Russia, Iran, or anyone else. NATO basically exists to fuck over Russia, and you have Trump putting his foot in his mouth over it.

Clinton - Corrupt pawn of the international financial elite that wields the US military and its alliance like a sledgehammer, manipulating international relations to keep US rivals down so they can keep plundering the world's wealth.

Trump - Climate science denying anti-vaxxer reality TV star protectionist who antagonizes US allies, threatens trade wars, flouts the authority of the financial elite, and basically signals the death of any pretense that the United States is capable of functioning as a democracy.

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you slobs denying that Trump doesn't serve Russia's interests far more than Clinton? Russia would love to see NATO go down in flames.

Right now there is basically a world alliance, led by the USA, arrayed against anybody who acts against US interests, whether that's China, Russia, Iran, or anyone else. NATO basically exists to fuck over Russia, and you have Trump putting his foot in his mouth over it.

Clinton - Corrupt pawn of the international financial elite that wields the US military and its alliance like a sledgehammer, manipulating international relations to keep US rivals down so they can keep plundering the world's wealth.

Trump - Climate science denying anti-vaxxer reality TV star protectionist who antagonizes US allies, threatens trade wars, flouts the authority of the financial elite, and basically signals the death of any pretense that the United States is capable of functioning as a democracy.

It's not really clear whether Russians were behind it. Julian Assange wouldn't say who his sources were, but he was clear that nobody else knew who his sources were either. The interview with him on Democracy Now was interesting though.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right now there is basically a world alliance, led by the USA, arrayed against anybody who acts against US interests, whether that's China, Russia, Iran, or anyone else. NATO basically exists to fuck over Russia, and you have Trump putting his foot in his mouth over it.

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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump - ... and basically signals the death of any pretense that the United States is capable of functioning as a democracy.

Why do you say this? If anything he's evidence to the contrary, whether you are pleased with the results or not.

I agree with the rest of your assessment of Trump except for the criticism for not subscribing to the church of man made climate change and enjoyed your glowing portrayal of Clinton though ^^ Such an American badass! We need to get her back representing US interests on the international stage.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trump - Climate science denying anti-vaxxer reality TV star protectionist who antagonizes US allies, threatens trade wars, flouts the authority of the financial elite, and basically signals the death of any pretense that the United States is capable of functioning as a democracy.

You know, most of the time I think you are pretty smart. And then you come out with something like this that barely qualifies as drivel.

1. Anthropogenic Global Warming is not a falsifiable hypothesis as there is no control group. Instead people are busy running simulations of a chaotic system (hint: chaotic systems are impossible to simulate) and amazingly their simulations all predict a lot of warming, thus guaranteeing themselves more funding.

2. Trump is a master negotiator and persuader. It's what he's done for a living for the past 50 years. He's starting by taking aggressive positions for things that would help this country (like the rest of the NATO countries spending their fair share on defense) and then when he is actually President he can make a few concessions here and there and still get most of what he wants.

3. Flouting the authority of the financial elite is precisely why he is in the position he is. In fact I can't think of more perfect evidence that the US is in fact a functioning democracy than Trump being elected against the wishes of the elites in both political parties, banking, media, and industry.

4. Putin loves Trump because Trump is smart enough to realize that we have nothing to gain and everything to lose by antagonizing Russia (and China). Hint: the Cold War is over, and we won. Instead, Obama and Hillary sent the CIA to help a group of Neonazis overthrow the Ukrainian government. We are sailing our destroyers next to China's South China Sea artificial islands. We have absolutely nothing to gain by these actions.

I don't think Trump can fix our problems (the hole is too deep) but it's like Liberals have these reality-altering glasses that you all wear or something.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know, most of the time I think you are pretty smart. And then you come out with something like this that barely qualifies as drivel.

1. Anthropogenic Global Warming is not a falsifiable hypothesis as there is no control group. Instead people are busy running simulations of a chaotic system (hint: chaotic systems are impossible to simulate) and amazingly their simulations all predict a lot of warming, thus guaranteeing themselves more funding.

2. Trump is a master negotiator and persuader. It's what he's done for a living for the past 50 years. He's starting by taking aggressive positions for things that would help this country (like the rest of the NATO countries spending their fair share on defense) and then when he is actually President he can make a few concessions here and there and still get most of what he wants.

3. Flouting the authority of the financial elite is precisely why he is in the position he is. In fact I can't think of more perfect evidence that the US is in fact a functioning democracy than Trump being elected against the wishes of the elites in both political parties, banking, media, and industry.

4. Putin loves Trump because Trump is smart enough to realize that we have nothing to gain and everything to lose by antagonizing Russia (and China). Hint: the Cold War is over, and we won. Instead, Obama and Hillary sent the CIA to help a group of Neonazis overthrow the Ukrainian government. We are sailing our destroyers next to China's South China Sea artificial islands. We have absolutely nothing to gain by these actions.

I don't think Trump can fix our problems (the hole is too deep) but it's like Liberals have these reality-altering glasses that you all wear or something.

What if Trump's bluffs are called because anything regarding alliances, treaties, and trade agreements falls under the authority of congress?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if Trump's bluffs are called because anything regarding alliances, treaties, and trade agreements falls under the authority of congress?

Yeah and congress is also supposed to declare war and that hasn't happened since WW2 yet we have been in countless engagements and campaigns.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah and congress is also supposed to declare war and that hasn't happened since WW2 yet we have been in countless engagements and campaigns.

War doesn't have to be declared to give the executive the authority to engage in combat. War Powers Act of 1973 which Nixon vetoed then was overridden by congress.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know, most of the time I think you are pretty smart. And then you come out with something like this that barely qualifies as drivel.

1. Anthropogenic Global Warming is not a falsifiable hypothesis as there is no control group. Instead people are busy running simulations of a chaotic system (hint: chaotic systems are impossible to simulate) and amazingly their simulations all predict a lot of warming, thus guaranteeing themselves more funding.

You clearly know nothing about the scientific method. Control groups are used when you are actually experimentally manipulating variables in order to test a hypothesis. Analysis of global warming is observational (along with a massive amount of other fundamental science, like much of our knowledge of the properties of light, chemicals, heat, evolution, gravity etc), and it is absolutely falsifiable.

What you just said is like saying "The Wave-Particle duality of photons is not a falsifiable hypothesis as there is no control group". Let that seep in how retarded that is and how embarrassingly scientifically illiterate you are. And it's totally rich how you say simulations of a chaotic system lack rigor when you're seemingly a huge fan of economics-- which uses far less rigorous models and simulations to model far more chaotic systems. Do you believe in evolution? Because that's equally unfalsifiable according to what you've just said.

The most substantive evidence for anthropomorphic climate change isn't even climate models, it's literally just recording temperatures over the last 150 years and comparing it to data over the last several hundred thousands years, as well as understanding the physical mechanics of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses and their role in the climate.

Falsifiable Premise #1. Do CO2 and other gasses increase the temperature of the Earth? Yes.

Falsifiable Premise #2. Have humans caused a precipitous increase in global greenhouse gas concentrations? Yes.

It's really as simple as those two premises and there is a mountain of evidence for both. You think climate science is a systematic conspiracy so climate scientists can get more funding? That's an astounding claim. You could say that about any science you're willing to discredit. I don't like free market economics, so I'm going to say that about free market economists right now. I'm going to say they are being funded by Jews as a way to sway public opinion and protect their wealth from government interference. God how retarded of me. What is it about this forum and the belief in conspiracies?

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. Trump is a master negotiator and persuader. It's what he's done for a living for the past 50 years. He's starting by taking aggressive positions for things that would help this country (like the rest of the NATO countries spending their fair share on defense) and then when he is actually President he can make a few concessions here and there and still get most of what he wants.

You've actually listened to him branding himself as a master negotiator? Because he wrote "The Art of the Deal", right? Just goes to show what he's truly a master at-- branding.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. Flouting the authority of the financial elite is precisely why he is in the position he is. In fact I can't think of more perfect evidence that the US is in fact a functioning democracy than Trump being elected against the wishes of the elites in both political parties, banking, media, and industry.

It is a triumph of the democratic process, I was talking about the fact that our culture has degraded so thoroughly that we can elect someone like Trump or Clinton.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. Putin loves Trump because Trump is smart enough to realize that we have nothing to gain and everything to lose by antagonizing Russia (and China). Hint: the Cold War is over, and we won. Instead, Obama and Hillary sent the CIA to help a group of Neonazis overthrow the Ukrainian government. We are sailing our destroyers next to China's South China Sea artificial islands. We have absolutely nothing to gain by these actions.

I don't think Trump can fix our problems (the hole is too deep) but it's like Liberals have these reality-altering glasses that you all wear or something.

I agree with you there, I'd love nothing more than to quit meddling in everything and cut our military by 90%. But the reality is, we're balls deep in global politics and his comments were idiotic-- talking about not honoring our alliances in Europe as a threat to get allies to comply during the campaign is not how you broach the issue of NATO. He's already persona non grata in the UK, the USA's closest ally, and he's not even President yet. Can't wait to see what other foreign policy achievements we get out of him.