Dos the Left Hate Pride?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It already does" Is never a good argument. You seem to be arguing based on basic liberty that you wan't the government to have more control of food, services etc so that corporations can deny liberty? It might be a private establishment but it exists within the US government. A person is no less of a person on the street than in a building.

You ignored my point on current male-female bathrooms. Is that a denial of liberty? Should establishments be prohibited from segregating bathrooms at all?

Sorry that doesn't hold on to the basic variation of human life.

It is how the words are defined. Pull out a dictionary. Whether you or I like it or not, that is how it is. Redefine the terms if you like. That effort is currently underway and will only lead to more misery.

It would probably be somewhat true in most of the animal kingdom where the only purpose of that life is survival and procreation.
Considering basic natural mutation, and chromosomal anomalies. A women, by your definition, XX and a man XY. What is an XXX is this person more of a woman than you? Less of a woman? Some new gender? All the chromosome does is tell the bodies what organs to develop and what hormones to pump out.

When a man ages and they start producing less testosterone is he becoming less of a man? If a woman has a hysterectomy does she lose her gender?

Does a male lion think of itself as a man? The animal kingdom doesn't have conscious self awareness . Gender is a concept humanity created to help identify ourselves.

A person's SEX is about biological equipment.

Don't confuse Gender and Sex.

Man and Woman are defined as male and female which are sex terms. That is my point. Pull out a dictionary. You can redefine them or create new terms, but the current terms are what they are.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A person's SEX is about biological equipment.

Don't confuse Gender and Sex.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Maerlith is crazy then? Gender is a social construct right? So how can there be a medical reason for "gender dysphoria" ?

Can you even read?

Gender Dysphoria: the condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex.

[Nihilist_santa]

That doesn't mesh with your contention that gender is a social construct.

ETA: What is the point of reference for a male to "feel" female?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You ignored my point on current male-female bathrooms. Is that a denial of liberty? Should establishments be prohibited from segregating bathrooms at all?

I answered this question earlier that I think designation sex to a bathroom is less liberty than allowing a bathroom to just be a place to expel waste. I figured you would remember.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is how the words are defined. Pull out a dictionary. Whether you or I like it or not, that is how it is. Redefine the terms if you like. That effort is currently underway and will only lead to more misery.


Man and Woman are defined as male and female which are sex terms. That is my point. Pull out a dictionary. You can redefine them or create new terms, but the current terms are what they are.

I agree the current definitions are pretty good. maybe you should learn them.

Okay Dictionary defintion

Gender: gen·der
ˈjendər/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Sex: sex
seks/Submit
noun
1.
(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse.
"he enjoyed talking about sex"
synonyms: sexual intercourse, intercourse, lovemaking, making love, sex act, (sexual) relations; More
2.
either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.



Take your own advice now.
You can redefine them or create new terms, but the current terms are what they are.

Thanks for playing !

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That doesn't mesh with your contention that gender is a social construct.

ETA: What is the point of reference for a male to "feel" female?

This varies based on culture. In thailand for example gender is very fluid. What a man or woman is "supposed" to feel/behave is defined by the culture and upbringing that surrounds you.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I answered this question earlier that I think designation sex to a bathroom is less liberty than allowing a bathroom to just be a place to expel waste. I figured you would remember.




I agree the current definitions are pretty good. maybe you should learn them.

Okay Dictionary defintion

Gender: gen·der
ˈjendər/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Sex: sex
seks/Submit
noun
1.
(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse.
"he enjoyed talking about sex"
synonyms: sexual intercourse, intercourse, lovemaking, making love, sex act, (sexual) relations; More
2.
either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.



Take your own advice now.
You can redefine them or create new terms, but the current terms are what they are.

Thanks for playing !

You've lost.

[Nihilist_santa]

Lost badly. Can see the smoldering wreckage from here.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've lost.

Except I used your standard to demonstrate how ill-informed you are. Sorry, but I won [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure what to think about that other than it is sad. I don't see how it plays into the gender-sex word play arguments or helps to validate delusion over rational choices based on inclinations, which is the point I was making or trying to make. I suppose it does tie-in to the overall discussion of pride though. One of the biggest reasons for transgender elevated suicide/depression rates stems from false beliefs perpetuated by counselors, politicians and media that you can be something you are not. It results in perpetual dissatisfaction because no matter how much you tell yourself its true and no matter how close you appear to be, there will be differences and every other rational person will remind you of them (whether intentional or not). Avoidance is not a path to happiness.

Also do you have anything to support this?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This varies based on culture. In thailand for example gender is very fluid. What a man or woman is "supposed" to feel/behave is defined by the culture and upbringing that surrounds you.

The study I mentioned proved that wrong. They purposely tried to make a male believe he was female. They used role play , surgery, and other methods and the child fell back on his biological identity. Therefore your surroundings ,cultural upbringing etc are not what determines gender.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is how the words are defined. Pull out a dictionary.


Man and Woman are defined as male and female which are sex terms. Pull out a dictionary. .

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay Dictionary

Gender: gen·der
ˈjendər/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Sex: sex
seks/Submit
noun
1.
(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse.
"he enjoyed talking about sex"
synonyms: sexual intercourse, intercourse, lovemaking, making love, sex act, (sexual) relations; More
2.
either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.



Take your own advice now.
You can redefine them or create new terms, but the current terms are what they are.

Thanks for playing !

GG no Re