The left has gone full retard

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting verbage there, and very well because you shouldn't reproduce. Seriously tho', can we dereail this thread into eroticism? It's already a circle jerk.

Why else would I choose not to? You may do with the thread as you see fit of course. What did you think of the cunt in OP's video though?

[Jorgam]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting verbage there, and very well because you shouldn't reproduce. Seriously tho', can we dereail this thread into eroticism? It's already a circle jerk.

/Veto

Stay on topic!

Leftists using children:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqHYzYn3WZw

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why else would I choose not to? You may do with the thread as you see fit of course. What did you think of the cunt in OP's video though?

She hijacked a time of mourning for personal politics which is rude. Courtesy should be upheld at all times in my book, and she come off as a narcisistic moron because of that. There's an over whelming lack of tact in the youth and politics in general which hinders the development and spreading of positions. A lot likely correlates with internet discussions being the way they are (at a distance) which limits civil debate because that distance brings about a comfort zone that is unrealistic and unreliable. There's also an over whelming cartesian ego in debates now that displays an immaturity more than anything because there's no consideration that their stance is or may be wrong even when presented with contrary evidence. Are you into S&M?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She hijacked a time of mourning for personal politics which is rude. Courtesy should be upheld at all times in my book, and she come off as a narcisistic moron because of that. There's an over whelming lack of tact in the youth and politics in general which hinders the development and spreading of positions. A lot likely correlates with internet discussions being the way they are (at a distance) which limits civil debate because that distance brings about a comfort zone that is unrealistic and unreliable. There's also an over whelming cartesian ego in debates now that displays an immaturity more than anything because there's no consideration that their stance is or may be wrong even when presented with contrary evidence. Are you into S&M?

I am not sure that it is fair to saddle the internet with responsibility for the rigidity of human thought. I think we have the American perversion of individualism to thank for exacerbating it though. When everyone is entitled to their own opinions, how can any be wrong? I do agree that the internet fosters a greater sense of security (and openness by extension) than we find in the physical world. I am not so sure that is necessarily a bad thing though. As repugnant, uninformed or obtuse as they may be, none of my thoughts would find reception and none of my questions, answers. I do not practice it, I do not like marks. I can see the appeal though. I generally detest being in control, it frustrates me. Suffering also brings a unique perspective to life allowing us to know happiness. I would expect you are quite the opposite?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just complete fantasy.

Baby boomers are the most selfish fucks ever to walk the Earth, and they spent the last 50 years dragging the entire country to the right, toward a philosophy of "Fuck you, I got mine". Today, Ike and Nixon would be considered more liberal than Hillary Clinton. LBJ's Great Society was really the last attempt at true liberalism before Reagan sold the country out to the corporate elite, and now we have people like Obama and Clinton who call themselves liberal but are really in the pocket of one moneyed interest or another.

Correct

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When have you offered anything other than opinion? Not counting your copy pastas from Wikipedia . Also don't feign ignorant about which system you advocate since you are one of those fascist under the bed types and have stated that world renowned leftist are actually hard right authoritarians.

yes I've offered lots of fact supported by evidence. What world renowned leftist did I call a hard right authoritarian? Support your statement.. just once. I'm begging you.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it. You've actually made a real statement here, so let's see you back it up.



This is complete spin. We spend far more on social programs than we did during the Great Society. How on earth is that moving to the right? I mean, I am with you that those programs have failed utterly, but that doesn't mean we didn't try.

What percent of GDP is going to new programs that weren't around during FDR? Far more total dollars? Sure.

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that the boomers ruined the place because of liberalism correct? They are the divorce, drug, "self help"/new age, feel good at any cost, pipe dream idealist that have been the useful idiots dragging sane people along on their "long march through the institutions" as they trade away real security and prosperity for empty slogans and platitudes . They are the modern left aside from their doper babies who are the SJWs and they drive leftist thought by controlling media and education. Bottom line like George Carlin said "Garbage in , Garbage out." the boomers mistakes are the result of embracing liberalism.

Please realize liberalism and the left are not congruent concepts. The boomers mistakes were caused by getting to comfortable...they traded away workers rights for idiotic theories of trickle down economics. They traded journalism for entertainment and fact for belief. The leftists sat idle while the right rigged the system for the few.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's incredibly reductive to take a single trend (increased spending on social programs) and say that alone signifies dominance of the left. Meanwhile an entire political party no longer believes in the efficacy of government (this was NOT a Republican value before 1960), union membership is at an all time low, minimum wage increases are taboo, tax is taboo, the financial system was deregulated, etc etc.

And it's worth mentioning that a huge portion of this "we spend far more on social programs now" trend is because the cost of healthcare has absolutely ballooned over the last 50 years, with an entire industry dedicated to milking Medicare and taking a cut of every healthcare transaction.

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What you're saying is basically like watching a car drive uphill and then claiming it's a shitty, slow car that gets bad mileage-- no, it's just being raped by that incline. You're ignoring the complexity of the system.

Which reminds me just how dogshit that graph you posted is, as it includes healthcare and lumps it in as "Welfare" to make a point.

Exactly

Also, along with healthcare the Social security is exponentially more expensive with more and more elders living longer lives. The largest social programs we have are healthcare and social security. Also the 2 programs with largest cost growth. These aren't new programs that show the left "won".

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jorgam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the thread has been hijacked, but I'm still hopeful that people are looking at the video and seeing what the left has become.

The left has become the right economically in the USA anyways.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes I've offered lots of fact supported by evidence. What world renowned leftist did I call a hard right authoritarian? Support your statement.. just once. I'm begging you.

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What percent of GDP is going to new programs that weren't around during FDR? Far more total dollars? Sure.

This is pretty hilarious considering that your idea of supporting your statements is to ask questions. And bad questions too; your phrasing implies that the growth of existing programs doesn't matter, only new programs do.

[maskedmelon]

I think the relevant question is, why do we need more social programs? It seems to me that social welfare programs all contribute to degradation of the family unit upon which every society is built. Social security affords the elderly independence, but dilutes parental bonds and removes them from the household when historically they played an integral role in helping raise children. Welfare allows men and families to avoid responsibility for premature procreation and fosters increased single motherhood. Not because it incentivizes it, but because it helps to de-stigmatize it. You can be damn sure that if most fathers or families thought their children/mothers/sisters were actually going to starve to death, thy would help take care of them and through that shared suffering would be more likely to learn from the mistake rather than rolling the dice and hoping it doesn't happen again. Who's into feathers?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty hilarious considering that your idea of supporting your statements is to ask questions. And bad questions too; your phrasing implies that the growth of existing programs doesn't matter, only new programs do.

A growth of a program caused by people having babies who then grow up to be adults... isn't a great victory for the left kiddo.