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[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Doubleplus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lawful Evil is adhering to the rules but using them to twist events in your favor. "Rules lawyering" is using regulations to shield yourself from retribution as well as an excuse to not have to do the right thing.

The problem is your "right thing" is completely subjective. To you, the right thing is being a doormat when it comes to camp possession. To other people in this thread, they understand that dead men can't hold camps. Other people in this thread consider it equally douchey to expect a highly coveted loot camp handed back over to you after you wipe and someone else moves in to claim it.

So, pray tell, how do we decide what to do where we don't get perceived as a dick? Why is one subset of peoples' opinions more correct than the other? Who decides this?

Making Up Arbitrary Rules is just as assholish as Rules Lawyering. Who gives you the right to pick and choose what rules (I.e. the ones about camp possession) you decide everyone should ignore? Why is someone who plays by the rules a dick, and the person who decides that they have a different idea of how camp possession should be defined and calls players out for not adhering to it somehow not a dick?

I play nice and try to help others out, but not to the point i'm a doormat and get taken advantage of. I don't think that mindset is douchey. It's fair. Everyone in my guild understands that if they wipe trying to hold a camp, they lose their claim to the camp. There's nothing douchey or non-douchey about it.

The only thing douchey would be an expectation that one could monopolize a popular loot camp that they've wiped to and are due unlimited attempts to hold the camp, regardless of how long their CR takes while everyone waits patiently for that person to be done.

[Rhodes]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is your "right thing" is completely subjective.

That is pretty much /thread right there. Everyone must follow the rules put forth by the devs, but beyond that it's subjective as to what is and what isn't douchebaggery. In my opinion the real douchebags here are those who talk down to everyone about camp etiquette as if we are all supposed to fall in line with their view of the game. No thanks. Some of us are highly competitive. Screwed up while camping a highly contested spawn? That sucks, but your turn is now over. There's a lesson to be learned, and it starts with not dying. And if you can't handle that, then the next lesson is to bind 50 yards away instead of on another continent. Bleeding all over the forums about it accomplishes nothing.

[FearsEdge]

*Wanders into south ro*
Dum dee dum dee........ oh look. No one is sitting on AC! This is quite lucky!
/shout CC?
*wait*
*look around*
I guess it's mine! No one responded, there is no one here! Yay! I get this awesome camp that may in fact result in nothing but frustration and disappointment when I am done!
*ten minutes later*
*some douchebag* "hey, this is my camp! I died here like ten minutes ago after camping it all day, but needed a port from another continent! you should definitely have know that this is both my camp and that I was coming back within some random arbitrary and yet to be stated time frame! You are a douchebag since you will not give this camp up even though I just said that I died!"
So who is the douchebag in this scenario? Hmm?

"Burr", 50 Dwarf Pally of Vesica Dei

[Ongbak]

VD is evil because we took "Highly sought after AC camp" after someone die to the SG?

My solution, "Don't be lazy" like you stated, this is what happened. This is my personal opinion and had nothing to do with VD, if I die at frenzy or Lord or any other camps, its my own damn fault.

Move on, try something else or next day.

For me to DIE at a camp.. and run back is my mistake.. and i OWN that mistake.. i dont blame others for moving in and taking over.. thats just the nature of the game... I'm not going to go calling people douchebags for playing EQ to the letter of this servers law.

BULLSEYE!

[Kassel]

So last night I was camping Raster for my last required item for my hot hot robe. I was soloing the camp and doing well until i noticed I had run out of bandages. For me at my level I did not feel i could hold the camp with out bandages so i decided i would run to oasis to stock up. Someone had just called out a CC and i did respond so it was know in zone that i was at raster. I jbooted (lol) to Oasis and was back in under 10 min. I floped back to raster and low and behold a monk and bard where sitting at the Raster PH. They saw me and asked me how it was going. I advised them i had been here for a while but had to leave to go get bandages or i would have died. I then wished them the best of luck on the camp. I knew i had lost it, i knew it was no fault but my own.

I could have just died and ran back and stocked up on bandages then started a huge emo thread about how they were jerks for taking an empty camp, but i did not want to be a douche and thus i accepted responsibility for my own actions and found something else to do.

The bottom line is, if your not at the camp for what ever reason, it is no longer your camp.

[azeth]

also, DA isn't rubbing off on VD like the tag says. I think VD is rubbing off on DA and making us more pleasant :P

[vinx]

Guys, this thread is all from the OP beliefs not Rilens post. he has 1 post lol
and im sure Rilen is already past what happened in zone, his post was basically he was tired, mistakes were made and the camp won.
im sure he is also aware that it was prolly a mistake that he bound in Lfay while camping a mob in Sro LOL

but hes not the one bitchin about losin the camp. he may have at the time when he got back to zone and who wouldnt?
eh he mighta got lucky and found someone that said "ok here you go all yours again"
but im guessin hes alrdy chalked this up as a learning experience.

theres really only 2 people here everyone is trying to convince and thats Phrag and Soup
and trying to change blind beliefs is outside the skope of any forum thread
im not going to go on about how nice VD is or even start trying to defend any actions here because to be honest.. its a ridiculous thread
subjective to views > server rules that are in place when agreements or views dont coincide as in this situation

which in this case 90% of the server would agree with VD on this camp.. your not at camp or cant hold camp. you lose it
per server rules, which we fall back on when there is a dispute

/thread

[Teensy Weensy]

I brought some vagasil for all the hurt vajayjays today! Line up to get the sand out! I'm lookin at you Soup

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Just because someone disagrees with you, or takes a different stance then you doesn't make them a 'douchebag'. I hate that term. Some middle schooler finds out what it is and starts using it, and here we are. Actions speak louder then words, including actions here.

The bottom line is, if your not at the camp for what ever reason, it is no longer your camp.

I agree with this, but say someone is camping say Raster for an extended period, their router burps or whatever, and they go linkdead. They log back in within minutes, as soon as their character is no longer active on their server and allows them to log in. They log back in, and you are now at the camp. Different ways different people handle it, as we see here. I would also point out there are people playing who would take advantage. They claim to 'have been there', or they gate to bank, or transfer a lore item, and come back to farm. As to the point of helping people cr in fear, and they turn around and stick it to you. One reason the rules do exist. Losing your camp can be unfortunate, but the people that arrive in the 30 seconds you are gone legitimately, are not 'douchebags'. Just as the people who lose a camp and are frustrated are not as well. There are people who use the rules to hide behind poor actions, but these rules also protect against people who act poorly. You cannot blame the OP for being disheartened, or frustrated, or the original camper. Just as you cannot blame the camp-taker(s) in their taking of the camp, when no one was present. The real key is how you handle yourself. I didn't read in the OP that the camp-takers were the scum of the earth, my take was more he would have been the good samaritan, and wishes others would be as well. While I agree with that sentiment, he has a right to his opinion, and doesn't deserve venom for feeling this way. And the people who argue what the rules state do not deserve it either, because it wasn't as if he merely moved 10 feet, or they caused his death.

Would be an interesting poll, "What would you do?"

The bottom line is, if your not at the camp for what ever reason, it is no longer your camp.

Player X trains Player Y. Player Y dies, and is no longer at the camp. Tough luck Player Y?

Player X has the camp. Player Z asks for help in the next room, to avoid death, or they ask for res, or cure, or something. Player X goes to help, is gone a mere matter of seconds. They arrive back at camp and Player Y claims it is now theirs. Tough luck Player X?

It isn't always so cut and dry. The best rule is the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Treat others as you would like to be treated. I would like to think we would be encouraged to help others, to help with that cr in fear, or hand the camp back to the poor soul. Instead we wish misfortune or ill upon others, so that we can benefit. Sad. The overriding rule is "Play nice." People often quote 'rules' which are mostly part of the F.A.Q. here, or clarifications posted on the forums.

And folks, trust me on this. If you ever lose your camp to an unfortunate incident, such as network issues, use your corpse. If you arrive at a camp, and a player claims they have been there and just died to X reason, use the corpse. Example: You are camping Dino, and suddenly you find yourself with a spell bug. Or you go Linkdead for no reason. You log back in 30 seconds later, bound there or nearby. Someone else tries to claim your camp. If your corpse says res timer is 2 hours, 58 minutes to expire, your chances of getting the camp back increase. Just because you die at a camp doesn't mean you lack the capability of holding it. Personally? if I see a corpse with 2 hours 5x minutes on it, they get the benefit of the doubt. I may watch to see if they can in fact kill it the next try, and will inform them. If I see no corpse, eh well they may be trying to pull a fast one and take the camp.

Have fun in game folks.

[Messianic]

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