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[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just find it interesting that it's only a douchebag move when someone takes over a camp if someone dies. Why isn't it an equally douchebag move to expect someone to relinquish a camp to you after you failed to maintain it? To me, that is equally loot-centric.

The only difference, of course, is what side of the situation you're on, now, isn't it?

While you're busy slapping down links to strawman arguments, go look up slippery slope. How long is someone expected to wait for someone to get back to a camp after dying before it becomes unclaimed? 5 mins? 30 mins? 3 hours? Now you're just making up arbitrary rules because the ones in place don't benefit you in a particular situation and anyone who disagrees is clearly a loot-centric douchebag? Convenient.

And utterly ridiculous and contrived.

Bahahaha. You know that slippery slope is also a fallacy, right? Basically what you just did was get called out on a logical fallacy, so you use another logical fallacy to defend yourself, WHILE CITING WHAT THAT FALLACY IS. I mean, I've seen enough of your posts to think you probably aren't a complete moron or anything, but that wasn't a very well thought out response to my post, lol.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bahahaha. You know that slippery slope is also a fallacy, right? Basically what you just did was get called out on a logical fallacy, so you use another logical fallacy to defend yourself, WHILE CITING WHAT THAT FALLACY IS. I mean, I've seen enough of your posts to think you probably aren't a complete moron or anything, but that wasn't a very well thought out response to my post, lol.

Then you won't mind me calling you out on dodging the question.

How many minutes are you saying someone should wait for a person to do a CR and come back to the camp before they can claim it from that person? Is it 5? 10? 60 minutes? 300 minutes? 4500 minutes?

Just asking a simple question. I'm sure you'll reply with some witty response like "SLIPPERY SLOPE IS A FALLACY HEHE" or "STRAWMAN!" but you'd still not be answering my simple question. And if you do answer it, I would like you to follow up with who decides the number of minutes we must wait, and where is this written?

[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you won't mind me calling you out on dodging the question.

How many minutes are you saying someone should wait for a person to do a CR and come back to the camp before they can claim it from that person? Is it 5? 10? 60 minutes? 300 minutes? 4500 minutes?

Just asking a simple question. I'm sure you'll reply with some witty response like "SLIPPERY SLOPE IS A FALLACY HEHE" or "STRAWMAN!" but you'd still not be answering my simple question. And if you do answer it, I would like you to follow up with who decides the number of minutes we must wait, and where is this written?

See, you're doing exactly what I'm talking about, making it all about some technical rule definition. The entire point I'm trying to make here is that it SHOULD NOT be about some exacting amount of time that differentiates what is or isn't this or that. If the poor guy died and is immediately running back, fuck man, just let him have the camp back. Hell, you could even be a really nice guy and hold it for him til he gets back. Or, you can choose to tell him to fuck off and and take it.

Like I said, it isn't about what the rules should or shouldn't be, it's about what is or isn't decent and respectable behavior. You saying "SO WHAT'S THE EXACT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT SHOULD PASS???//" is EXACTLY what I'm saying shouldn't happen. You can tell the noob on a CR you wont SoW him for less than 10 plat, and no rules should tell you otherwise, but absolutely refusing despite sitting there FM doing nothing is a pretty douchey thing to do.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the poor guy died and is immediately running back, fuck man, just let him have the camp back. Hell, you could even be a really nice guy and hold it for him til he gets back. Or, you can choose to tell him to fuck off and and take it.

You want to hear a story about how far "being nice" gets us? Last night, we rezzed a few members of one of two other guilds in Fear to help them get rolling. Not naming any names because it's pointless and nothing against the rules was done. Same guild decides to park their entire raid force on a spawn point of most of a certain kind of mob that drops gear, instead of just parking *one* of their pullers in there like we had to at least give us and maybe the other guild a *shot* at getting one of these mobs as they spawned one-by-one. But... nope. Awesome.

Against the rules? No.

Nice thing to do to the guild being nice to you and helping you with a CR? Maybe not?

The difference is we don't come here and start a shitstorm thread about it. Or flame them in /ooc or /shout. We get smart and do the same thing with another set of mobs with different gear. And maybe think twice next time about helping that guild out with some rezzes while we're trying to share a plane with them.

Not really a point here, other than to show that "being nice" really isn't a universal concept on this server because of the limited resources and huge demand for the content, especially upper level content. So you go with "what the rules are" to prevent anyone from crying foul.

[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want to hear a story about how far "being nice" gets us? Last night, we rezzed a few members of one of two other guilds in Fear to help them get rolling. Not naming any names because it's pointless and nothing against the rules was done. Same guild decides to park their entire raid force on a spawn point of most of a certain kind of mob that drops gear, instead of just parking *one* of their pullers in there like we had to at least give us and maybe the other guild a *shot* at getting one of these mobs as they spawned one-by-one. But... nope. Awesome.

Against the rules? No.

Nice thing to do to the guild being nice to you and helping you with a CR? Maybe not?

The difference is we don't come here and start a shitstorm thread about it. Or flame them in /ooc or /shout. We get smart and do the same thing with another set of mobs with different gear. And maybe think twice next time about helping that guild out with some rezzes while we're trying to share a plane with them.

Not really a point here, other than to show that "being nice" really isn't a universal concept on this server because of the limited resources and huge demand for the content, especially upper level content. So you go with "what the rules are" to prevent anyone from crying foul.

This is really sad since it basically sounds like you're saying "We helped out some people and they turned around and acted like dicks to us, so I have no qualms with spreading dickish behavior myself."

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is really sad since it basically sounds like you're saying "We helped out some people and they turned around and acted like dicks to us, so I have no qualms with spreading dickish behavior myself."

Nope... just explaining what it means to me to be nice and respectful without being a doormat in this game. Refusing to be rolled over on equates to being dickish? News to me.