Please Change the Two Boxing Rule

[hedbonker]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One cannot make decisions based on the minority when it negatively impacts the majority.

^thats quotable. Someone quote that.

That would be a paraphrase of Aristotle, in his "The Aim of Man":

"Even supposing the chief good to be eventually the aim for the individual as for the state, that of the state is evidently of greater and more fundamental importance both to attain and to preserve. The securing of one individual's good is cause for rejoicing, but to secure the good of a nation or of a city-state is nobler and more divine."

Which is the earliest known reference to the precept of the needs of the individual being less than the needs of the masses. Typically attributed to Star Trek's Mr. Spock: "Logic dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

So, on an originality scale, you get a 0.

[oddibemcd]

Originally Posted by hedbonker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be a paraphrase of Aristotle, in his "The Aim of Man":

"Even supposing the chief good to be eventually the aim for the individual as for the state, that of the state is evidently of greater and more fundamental importance both to attain and to preserve. The securing of one individual's good is cause for rejoicing, but to secure the good of a nation or of a city-state is nobler and more divine."

Which is the earliest known reference to the precept of the needs of the individual being less than the needs of the masses. Typically attributed to Star Trek's Mr. Spock: "Logic dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

So, on an originality scale, you get a 0.

Which, of course, doesn't fit with most modern discussion. Slavery is a prime example. The need for a cheap labor pool negatively effecting a few does not give the many the right to place those into slavery. The need of five people for a kidney, a heart, a liver, a lung and a face does not allow those five to kill a universal donor and harvest that person's organs.

The American system has been generally successful at protecting the populace from the majority view, but has failed as well. Are the referendums that remove the right of gays to marry positive? Is that a good reflection on the needs of the many (to not have the sanctity of marriage violated) outweighing the needs of the few?

[Ronas]

Dont know if anyone has mentioned it yet but, wouldn't it work out better if you were allowed to box on off-peak time, and reset the timer to reactive during peak time?

That way people that dont have alot of time and no one to play with can box either other people around same time frame, whilst on peak time its turned off so its single players on raids and when there alot of people to group with.

In the end, if you hardcore no life then you can box to level up on off peak, while also added that if you are casual you can "play with yourself" hahaha. And the arguement would be its unfair? Like really? So you have no one to play with cept other 1-2 people is unfair??

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Ronas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dont know if anyone has mentioned it yet but, wouldn't it work out better if you were allowed to box on off-peak time, and reset the timer to reactive during peak time?

It may be a horrible imposition, but there ARE solo classes available to play when you can't get a group for your melee main.

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by Ronas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dont know if anyone has mentioned it yet but, wouldn't it work out better if you were allowed to box on off-peak time, and reset the timer to reactive during peak time?

That way people that dont have alot of time and no one to play with can box either other people around same time frame, whilst on peak time its turned off so its single players on raids and when there alot of people to group with.

In the end, if you hardcore no life then you can box to level up on off peak, while also added that if you are casual you can "play with yourself" hahaha. And the arguement would be its unfair? Like really? So you have no one to play with cept other 1-2 people is unfair??

No, because if you allow certain people to 2 box, then everyone else should. It wouldn't be fair to the people who can't/don't play during off-peak times.

[Ronas]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because if you allow certain people to 2 box, then everyone else should. It wouldn't be fair to the people who can't/don't play during off-peak times.

Peak population 700-900+, Off-peak 150-300. Set a window of Off-peak for around 4-6 hours max. The rest set to non boxing. I dont really see too much harm. Euro/oceanic/Off peak players can enjoy the server because there are people around to double for raids/bosses. And peak time share the same benefits because there is already players around to do things with. Either way there are only a small percentage of people that would take advantage of the feature if it was to be put in. Just that little more incentive to play on off peak time as well.

[porigromus]

Originally Posted by Ronas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Peak population 700-900+, Off-peak 150-300. Set a window of Off-peak for around 4-6 hours max. The rest set to non boxing. I dont really see too much harm. Euro/oceanic/Off peak players can enjoy the server because there are people around to double for raids/bosses. And peak time share the same benefits because there is already players around to do things with. Either way there are only a small percentage of people that would take advantage of the feature if it was to be put in. Just that little more incentive to play on off peak time as well.

I think they should have a window of opportunity for people to box. It should be only activated between 4:30am EST - 4:31am EST. I think that is fair.

[Ektar]

lol

[Torqumada286]

Originally Posted by porigromus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think they should have a window of opportunity for people to box. It should be only activated between 4:30am EST - 4:31am EST. I think that is fair.

I vote for this plan!

Look, I play a monk and I have pretty much soloed to 30th level so far. I have grouped less than 5 times for short periods of time. It can be done.

Torqumada

[soup]

Originally Posted by oddibemcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which, of course, doesn't fit with most modern discussion. Slavery is a prime example. The need for a cheap labor pool negatively effecting a few does not give the many the right to place those into slavery. The need of five people for a kidney, a heart, a liver, a lung and a face does not allow those five to kill a universal donor and harvest that person's organs.

The American system has been generally successful at protecting the populace from the majority view, but has failed as well. Are the referendums that remove the right of gays to marry positive? Is that a good reflection on the needs of the many (to not have the sanctity of marriage violated) outweighing the needs of the few?

You take the concept in a really weird direction. I think a more reasonable way to look at it (and more in the spirit of what it is supposed to mean) would be to say that if you had those 5 organs available, and one person who needs all 5 as well as having 5 people who need 1 of each, then you should save the 5 people rather than the 1. (lets ignore the fact that if you're needing to have 5 organs transplanted you're not going to live)

The gay marriage part doesn't make any sense though, since you would be supplying to the needs of the few without harming or taking anything away from the many.