Are you kidding me?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to be clear. The more casual guilds are complaining that they actually have to progress correctly to compete ? Seems to me a Crown of Rile click is a deserved advantage because the "raiding guilds" killed PD and progressed correctly. Seems like a natural entry and progression. Go kill PD and progress before taking part in Velious races. Seems like a perfect line of progression instead of being asked to be put on equal footing with guilds that have progressed by the GM's.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want to progress as a guild correct ? Then do what other guilds have done. Compete for the targets first that gets you the gear you need to compete on the mobs in the new expansion. Don't just stand in the raid forums and beg to be put on equal footing every time the guilds who progressed correctly uses the gear they earned through previous foot races. You just come off as a someone always asking for a handout every step of the way.

"This is too hard. Please help us." So the GM helps you.

"Ok NOW this is too hard please help us again." So the GM helps you again.


When is it ever going to get easy enough to get you guys to stop complaining ? Just race in VP to start for PD and get yourselves up to that level instead of crying about a guild because they used the gear they earned.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See Kileras when most people read a post like this one you made in the Raid Discussion. All they see is someone asking for more changes because your gear isn't on par with the gear of guilds who have progressed correctly. You are asking to be put on even footing when you haven't progressed as a guild correctly to be there. You guys are asking GM's to remove all advantages that gear gives to the guilds that have progressed correctly. You are asking this AFTER Sirken has already went out of his way to make changes to help you once.

Progress your guild correctly and get the items off of Dragons that gives these small advantages instead of asking the GM's to remove the gear advantage. Heck Sirken has went out of his way to make races in VP as fair as possible and now he has for Kael and ToV as well. I mean do you guys not see how insane this is.

"Sirken I know these guys progressed and killed PD for these items. I know they are using the items for what their intended purpose was. But could you remove the use of these items because...well gee we really want to skip progression to catch up to them."

It smells like Aftermath in here. Did this clown seriously just imply that Crown of Rile's "intended use" was a tool to gain an edge over shitty casual guilds that haven't cleared VP for 5 years in footraces for FTE of Velious raid targets?

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[Signal]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It smells like Aftermath in here. Did this clown seriously just imply that Crown of Rile's "intended use" was a tool to gain an edge over shitty casual guilds that haven't cleared VP for 5 years in footraces for FTE of Velious raid targets?

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The intended use of a Crown of Rile in classic was to refill the endurance bar. You could run and jump to your hearts content. You sir smell like a BDA member who simply can't grasp the concept of working for something and earning it. You guys are the new age of America. Whine until you get your way because if you whine loud and long enough things will get handed to you. Right ?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The intended use of a Crown of Rile in classic was to refill the endurance bar. You could run and jump to your hearts content. You sir smell like a BDA member who simply can't grasp the concept of working for something and earning it. You guys are the new age of America. Whine until you get your way because if you whine loud and long enough things will get handed to you. Right ?

Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.

1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged

2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon

3: Log in when you receive a batphone

4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role

5: Collect DKP/Pixels

6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat

This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.

Get real

[Signal]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.

1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged

2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon

3: Log in when you receive a batphone

4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role

5: Collect DKP/Pixels

6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat

This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.

Get real

All I read is more whining in this long drawn out post. This is the mentality of BDA to a tee. Claim something isn't being used as intended. Try to point out how easy things are to do even if they take time and work to do. Yet they aren't willing to do them (Literally it's a small time commitment if you aren't tracking). Then claim they don't want to compete that way because somehow it isn't fair. Yet according to you. You just laid out how easy it is.

BTW everyone feels sorry for you when you post. Not the other way around here. We all pray you stop. You are the only guy in RNF who has actually been shitty to people in game and then you come to RNF trying to play some kind of white knight card. It's amazing really.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claim something isn't being used as intended.

This is a fact. Crown of Rile was not intended by original EQ devs to be used to win FTE footraces. This is not disputable.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try to point out how easy things are to do even if they take time and work to do.

Taking an excessive/unreasonable amount of time to do something doesn't make it hard. Also not disputable.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet they aren't willing to do them

Mostly cause we don't have people willing to stare at empty rooms with bind sight for 16 hours. It's not hard its just incredibly dumb and unfun. Pretty much everyone agrees with this.

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then claim they don't want to compete that way because somehow it isn't fair.

I can't speak for others but I don't believe I ever said I didn't want to compete the way A/A competes because it wasn't fair. I simply don't want to do it because it's purely and simply not fun. The levels of fuckery required to participate in top tier raiding perpetuated by A/A and Rampage/Forsaken before them and IB/TMO before them is ludicrous.

[Signal]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a fact. Crown of Rile was not intended by original EQ devs to be used to win FTE footraces. This is not disputable.



Taking an excessive/unreasonable amount of time to do something doesn't make it hard. Also not disputable.



Mostly cause we don't have people willing to stare at empty rooms with bind sight for 16 hours. It's not hard its just incredibly dumb and unfun. Pretty much everyone agrees with this.


I can't speak for others but I don't believe I ever said I didn't want to compete the way A/A competes because it wasn't fair. I simply don't want to do it because it's purely and simply not fun. The levels of fuckery required to participate in top tier raiding perpetuated by A/A and Rampage/Forsaken before them and IB/TMO before them is ludicrous.

So you are claiming that a Crown of Rile was not intended to instantly refill the endurance bar in classic to make use of weapons/discs/jumping easier for the classes that had them ? Because that is all they were being used for in races. You know the actual intent of the clicky and what it was meant to be used for.

Most of the things you say are not disputable are in fact very easily disputable. So much so anyone could sit here and dispute them all day. I doubt anyone has the time or the desire to sit here and dispute all your inaccuracies though. They just pile up so fast for you.

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Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are claiming that a Crown of Rile was not intended to instantly refill the endurance bar in classic to make use of weapons/discs/jumping easier for the classes that had them ? Because that is all they were being used for in races. You know the actual intent of the clicky and what it was meant to be used for.

Most of the things you say are not disputable are in fact very easily disputable. So much so anyone could sit here and dispute them all day. I doubt anyone has the time or the desire to sit here and dispute all your inaccuracies though. They just pile up so fast for you.

You're defending refilling your endurance bar so you can jump more while strafe running in a race to get to a mob a half second earlier after looking at someone else's screen for up to 16 hours waiting for it to spawn in this ridiculous variance system?

You are absolutely out of your fucking mind.

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[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Signal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are claiming that a Crown of Rile was not intended to instantly refill the endurance bar in classic to make use of weapons/discs/jumping easier for the classes that had them ?

Indeed, classic use of spell intended to restore stamina.

[snead]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you ever stop and listen to the things you say? Cause I'm almost embarrassed for you at this point. Do you think ANYONE on the original EQ dev team thought to themselves "We need to make an item that will allow hardcore neckbeards to jump indefinitely so they can win FTE footraces and show those casual scum who's boss til they go farm VP themselves for 5 years so they can 'earn it'" you're quite literally out of your mind if that's honestly what you think. But we all know that's not really what you think it's just a dumb argument you made to support your dumb position. Let me ask you this. Do you REALLY think the average A/A member puts in significantly more "work" to "earn" their pixels than the average BDA or Europa or Anonymous member? For those that don't know here's a day in the life of the average raider in ANY (not just a/a) raid guild on P99.

1: Carry x y z 'required' consumables that 1/2 the raid doesn't bother to get or keep charged

2: "Park" your character wherever /get or website tells you to for upcoming dragon

3: Log in when you receive a batphone

4: Perform your classes (almost always) extremely easy role

5: Collect DKP/Pixels

6: Go back to step 2 rinse/repeat

This isn't rocket science. Almost all of the "hard" work is carried out by a super small group of people at the top of each guild. I put "hard" in quotes cause I'm not really sure you can call staring at a screen waiting for a mob to pop for 16 hrs or spam clicking a crown of rile to run to a mob faster "hard" but I'll let that slide. The vast majority of every raider on this server just logs in and hits their ch macro or backstab button for a while then logs off. You're not better than me cause the core neckbeard group in your guild neckbearded harder than the core neckbeard group in my guild. You didn't "earn" something that I didn't because when you get a batphone and log in to do exactly what everyone else does your guild tag happens to be Aftermath. You also didn't "earn" the right to have a significant advantage in all Velious footraces cause you belong to one of 2 guilds that had a monopoly on Veeshan's Peak for 5 years.

Get real

anyone who has ever been a game dev can confirm that no matter what you intended players are going to play your game in ways you personally never thought of. All they are doing is giving you a bunch of tools to play with. I'm sure if Brad read all this we're doing all sorts of shit he and his team never thought of. Two examples below.

1. rocket jumping in quake - this was huge back then and changed the way maps worked and new games planned around this.
2. Anytime someone speed speed run a game. They are typically abusing mechanics they never thought of. Ever watch a Zelda Speed Run?

Go watch the video below. Here's the perfect example of a speed runner with the doublefine team. This is video is pure gold on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsDc1YVxHA0