Basic Income

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Automation is coming and its coming FAST. Unemployment is going to skyrocket. Basic income may or may not be a solution but SOMETHING is gonna have to give. Just think about how many jobs are going to disappear from self driving cars (and more importantly big trucks) alone? The fast food industry is well on its way to full automation too. At some point the very core of our society is going to have to radically change. Somehow I'm guessing things will have to get drastically worse and blood will have to be shed before things change significantly though. Human nature and all that.

Aaaaaaaand.... the robot cars are going to force you to go into the robot fast food joint?

This may sound odd to some, but I have been doing this thang for a lot of years now. If I don't like how a company operates, I go someplace else O.o

I know... I know... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] silly. I almost sound like... I don't know... an anti-corporatist? or anti-establishment? idk...
I still do business with some (e.g. M$ though I hate them), but largely I exercise choice when purchasing goods and services and from whom. I even try to make an effort to buy things other than Monsanto GMO concoctions... my attempts to support the organic farmers which are being crippled by this corporatism. Though in that case, good luck here in the US totally avoiding Monsanto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason right-leaning people support this more often then you would think at a glance, is because they view it as a way of getting rid of bureaucracy and simplifying government into straight redistribution.
And it is simply a fact that there is going to be a problem eventually when humans are no longer needed for labor jobs (and even a lot of technical jobs).

^ see and this is my example to my previous post as to why it could never be fixed (or the problem conquered), to why the attempt fails every time. They have us brain-fart propagandized to ignore them while they turn us on each other. And this is tue intentional propaganda they wash us thru and thru by using the mass media. They mold our opinions, and set us loose to fight eachother while they keep going on with what they are doing and we can do nothing to stop it.

[maskedmelon]

This is fine if we institute parent licensing. Mandatory sterilization at birth and then competency tests to procreate.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have us brain-fart propagandized to ignore them while they turn us on each other. And this is tue intentional propaganda they wash us thru and thru by using the mass media. They mold our opinions, and set us loose to fight eachother while they keep going on with what they are doing and we can do nothing to stop it.

I see what your saying to an extent daywolf. Political parties exist to herd thoughts and ideas. In the US however, there is a debate whether these parties really exist like they do in parliamentary systems. Often wealthy people work with politicians from both parties and politicians have to worth with the other party to do anything as well.

What political party you are as a politician in America mostly has to do with "high visability" issues that fall on party lines. So a democrat is much more likely to vote to repeal the Bush tax cuts for example. This is because once the media actually does its job and tells us something important going on, you can't get away with just doing whatever the hell you want like on "low visability" issues (where the media doesn't report). A democrat against letting the Bush Tax cuts expire has to answer to a lot of democrat voters. Otherwise, he just has to answer to the party leadership. The party leadership will often give a lot of leeway. So you can support new spending as a republican or program cuts as a democrat.

Basically what this system lets politicans do, is do things like raise the debt for a stupid program that no one scrutinizes, so that some other guy can get his stupid program that no one scrutinizes. Because the media isn't going to talk about it.

Only when the media talks about things do we see the real divides that exist. And those real divides are often exploited by special interest. They get you to vote for a package with stuff in you don't like, and neither do the vast majority of Americans. Maybe you don't like big tax cuts for the "job creators," but you sure are fucking sick of abortion and gays getting married...just an example off the top of my head...

But make no mistake. These divides do exit. There are really people that just hate the idea that someone might get foodstamps if they don't absolutely need them to live. Likewise, there are people that believe wealth entrenchment is morally repugnant.