Kael + ToV Rules

[phiren]

Never mind -- I see Sirken's amendments posted back on page 1 of this thread.

I still don't know why this amendment is necessary though. It was so simple and easy as it was originally stated.

If my guild gets FTE and 'wipes' after 5 minutes because we trained ourselves, or it was an accidental train ... I don't really understand the logic in saying the mob is now FFA.

Again -- the rule was beautiful as it was originally written. It is now complicated and I see your point.

~Phiren
Azure Guard

[phiren]

So then, let's define a wipe so it's black and white.

If 10+ people from your guild die, that is a wipe.

If 9 or less people from your guild die, but the other 50+ manage to camp out safely... this is not a wipe.

Boom! done! Now we get to count corpses too!

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~Phiren
Azure Guard

[Pint]

if you pull a mob into camp and it leaves your camp still breathing then you failed, pretty simple hehe. aborting a kill is equivalent with wiping.

getting FTE gives you an attempt at the mob and 60 minutes to prepare that attempt, it doesnt give you an hour of unlimited attempts, that would be silly.

[phiren]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you pull a mob into camp and it leaves your camp still breathing then you failed, pretty simple hehe. aborting a kill is equivalent with wiping.

getting FTE gives you an attempt at the mob and 60 minutes to prepare that attempt, it doesnt give you an hour of unlimited attempts, that would be silly.

I'm not TRYING to be difficult here .. but I assure you this will happen:
Guild A gets FTE on mob and has an hour. 10-15 minutes in as they are positioning for it, they get a semi bad pull, or someone trains them. This pull/train doesn't even include the mob they are going after and have their 60 minute FTE on. Dozens will die, the rest will camp out to clear aggro.

Did Guild A just wipe?

~Phiren
Azure Guard

[Pint]

Originally Posted by phiren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not TRYING to be difficult here .. but I assure you this will happen:
Guild A gets FTE on mob and has an hour. 10-15 minutes in as they are positioning for it, they get a semi bad pull, or someone trains them. This pull/train doesn't even include the mob they are going after and have their 60 minute FTE on. Dozens will die, the rest will camp out to clear aggro.

Did Guild A just wipe?

~Phiren
Azure Guard

Did the dragon come in with the pull and kill people? Botching your pull is a form of wiping. If you just wipe to trash mobs then youre fine but if you attempt to pull a dragon and train yourself in the process whether or not youre at west exit or inside ntov, you've wiped yourself and forfeited your attempt imo.

[arsenalpow]

Which is why Sirken tacking on "one attempt" is stupid, because now we get to define what constitutes a wipe. Just make it a flat 60 minutes, easy peasy.