ATTN: All Raiding Guilds

Daldaen · #1 04-02-2016, 10:43 AM

Indeed this is definitely where our views differ.

My view is that the rest of the server should not be forced to slog through several hours of NToV clearing for every single dragon just because 3 guilds feel they want to start dungeon crawling to mobs, and petition any guild that tries to pull because they stand in the middle of the pull path.

Either way, one side wants to force the other side to conform to their play style. Why should the side stating they only want to make 1-2 attempts a week force the side who is interested in contesting every single mob every single week, and has been for months, to conforming to their play style all of a sudden?

I don't think being asked to move to the side for a total of about 2-3 minutes out of a week in Kael (in areas no one typically groups) or just not hanging out in the 4-way or NToV hallways in ToV for extended periods of time (which there is literally no reason to do) is that ridiculous to allow for a more sleek raid environment.

Thats what doesn't make sense to me.

Pint · #2 04-02-2016, 12:18 PM

I think you're avoiding the guys issue daldaen. Both of our guilds train into north and drop them when they are in north by design. He is saying that his guild should have the right to be in the north wing and not get over run by our trains and he is correct. If they want to be in north and not get trained that is reasonable but the current raid rules prohibit you from being in the vicinity of a raid mob prior to its spawn so there isn't really a way for them to pre position in north and still be eligible for the dragon that spawns. If they try to.mobilize and get in there before we pull it might be acceptable but currently since a pull happens within 12 seconds of a spawn that doesn't seem feasible.

Pint · #3 04-02-2016, 12:28 PM

I dont think I'm buying that csg wont do tormax bc they think the training is wrong, I think the reality is that you dont trust your people to be able to control or contain the chaos that comes with these high intensity situations. If we were race clearing to tormax instead of train pulling then you would be in the same situation where you dont fully trust your pull team not to train yourselves or your opponents while trying to speed clear and split to tormax. If you've got enough competent people then these strategies are not as unwieldy as people make them out to be, consider the number of targets killed over the past few months to the number of raid suspensions given out.

Culkasi · #4 04-02-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think I'm buying that csg wont do tormax bc they think the training is wrong, I think the reality is that you dont trust your people to be able to control or contain the chaos that comes with these high intensity situations. If we were race clearing to tormax instead of train pulling then you would be in the same situation where you dont fully trust your pull team not to train yourselves or your opponents while trying to speed clear and split to tormax. If you've got enough competent people then these strategies are not as unwieldy as people make them out to be, consider the number of targets killed over the past few months to the number of raid suspensions given out.

Then you don't know us very well - that is 100% the only reason we haven't attempted King Tormax. If we were afraid we couldn't do it, we would try, see were we failed, go away and improve, and come back, like we have on every other single encounter we've progressed through.

bktroost · #5 04-02-2016, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think I'm buying that csg wont do tormax bc they think the training is wrong, I think the reality is that you dont trust your people to be able to control or contain the chaos that comes with these high intensity situations. If we were race clearing to tormax instead of train pulling then you would be in the same situation where you dont fully trust your pull team not to train yourselves or your opponents while trying to speed clear and split to tormax. If you've got enough competent people then these strategies are not as unwieldy as people make them out to be, consider the number of targets killed over the past few months to the number of raid suspensions given out.

You are incorrect. Can we not afford locket of escapes? Can we not bring 100 people to a batphone? 80% of them being level 60? Arn't 2/3rds of the CSG leadership monk mains? No, ability is not the concern. It's entirely about the environment of the server.

We will show up to CT and play with the big boys on CT at 4am est or whatever this week was because THAT is some fun competition right there. Good clean fun where no one gets hurt and I got no problem losing to the faster aoe team and the better raid force. But training Kael or ToV with mobs and wiping literally all life in a pursuit for my personal pixels is not how i see the raid rules. To us, that's an exclusive format at best and an environment built on raid infractions at worst.

Let's not distract ourselves with conversation of ability. It has no part in this discussion.