Forsaken is a bait and switch guild, warning to all players

[azxten]

*yawn* You sound real mad Maner. You ok?

I already addressed all your tired points earlier in the thread.

Keep clinging to the loot angle. When do you want to talk about how Madm was harassed by Unbrella? How about the locked loot council thread where tons of members are still complaining to this day about the changes and how their opinions were discarded?

[Jarnauga]

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i like the "scoring awesome loots" part

[Prismaticshop]

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i like the "scoring awesome loots" part

well, vulaak loot is awesome, before disbanding Rampage hadn't killed him in a while.

So, I'd say this quote is accurate.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*yawn* You sound real mad Maner. You ok?

I already addressed all your tired points earlier in the thread.

Keep clinging to the loot angle. When do you want to talk about how Madm was harassed by Unbrella? How about the locked loot council thread where tons of members are still complaining to this day about the changes and how their opinions were discarded?

why would I be mad? I keep my RA high enough to bid on anything I want to... and unlike you I haven't ghosted for 6 months.

It was locked because they scheduled a guild meeting to discuss it instead of letting it get out of control on the forums. Unlike you I actually know madmoiselle and the "former TMO" wasn't the only reason. But facts are obviously your kryptonite.

If you had been around for the last 3 months you would know that loot council isn't some new thing. You getting upset about it now just proves that you ghosted and didn't deserve any loot anyway.

[Danth]

Per this thread, apparently some folks think a person who shows up to almost a hundred guild events warrants nothing for his efforts. ~90 guild events in ~6 months is roughly one every other day. That's a lot.

When the Forsaken recruiters come calling to me, I politely tell them "no thanks" and go about my business. I've been in online gaming long enough to know the extreme expectations high-end guilds tend to place on their members, and know it's not for me. Perhaps the original poster is less familiar with online gaming? I don't know his history, but I hope he's wise enough to treat this as a learning experience.

I have a longstanding personal rule of never joining a guild which uses any form of currency-based loot, and immediately leave any guild which transitions to such. That rule has for years done a fine job of ensuring my hobby remains fun and free, rather than turning gaming into a really lousy second job with schedules, on-call requirements, and no pay.

Danth

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Per this thread, apparently some folks think a person who shows up to almost a hundred guild events warrants nothing for his efforts. ~90 guild events in ~6 months is roughly one every other day. That's a lot.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would make sense if it was just 1 raid a day every day. but raid attendance is 1 for every target killed or attempted. in that 8 month period for example there were over 100 raids a month

I don't mean he raided a lot relative to his guild; I mean he raided a lot in an absolute sense. Doing stuff every other day is a lot. Running multiple events every day represents a completely different level of determination. I agree with you, actually, in that the original poster (as a fairly casual player with modest game hours) really had no place joining a high-end guild at all. I've been around long enough to know that. Perhaps he didn't fully realize what he was getting himself in to--a hypothesis supported by the very existence of his anger. He calls it bait-and-switch, which is a common accusation made when people don't realize what they got themselves in to. At his activity level, he'd fit in a lot better in a low- or middle-tier guild.


Danth

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He calls it bait-and-switch, which is a common accusation made when people don't realize what they got themselves in to. At his activity level, he'd fit in a lot better in a low- or middle-tier guild

What you're missing is what I was told when I joined. AFK is fine, no attendance limits, loot council is minor, etc. All of this changed afterwards and anyone in Forsaken will tell you how pissed off people were about it. They were so upset Detoxx made a thread for them to talk about it and then locked it without answering it one, simply saying "discussion over, changes are permanent."

I never applied to Forsaken of my own decision, I was recruited and asked to apply. I knew they were assholes and I knew this is how it would end but I also didn't want Rampage to have a monopoly on the high end of the server.

I've always moved between high end guilds here staying with the underdogs because otherwise you end up with a huge pile of shit like Kunark and TMO where one guild controls everything and everyone is scared to upset them because they might not be allowed to raid anymore. I've never been scared to call TMO or Forsaken members assholes to their face even when I was a member of either of those guilds.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're missing is what I was told when I joined.

I didn't miss that. Their recruiters have told me the same thing. I assume someone knows the difference between a sales pitch versus reality. The top guilds always claim they don't mind casual players. The lower-end guilds typically claim they'll see the top eventually. Neither claim is ever particularly true. You've been here for some 6 years; you of all people should know that. Perhaps that's why you're so angry right now--maybe you genuinely believed Forsaken was different. I can imagine myself there and if that's the case then I'd feel betrayed, too. However, I don't fall into that mode of thought. I consider one high-end guild basically the same as the next. The names change; the modes of operation remain the same. Perhaps I'm more cynical than you, or perhaps I'm simply pragmatic....or maybe some of both.

Either way, there's not much you can do short of moving on. If you want, be angry at the system which produces the guild scene here, but neither of us can change it. Best you can do is try to find a guild that's compatible with how you play the game and enjoy the parts of P1999 that're worth enjoying.

On a related note, in over twenty years of online gaming I've never seen a large clan/squad/guild that isn't full of people who're angry about something or other. when things seemed quiet, at first, typically just meant I was out of the loop. Drama and cliques seem to come with the territory.

Danth