Shaman race poll

[Slave35]

Here's the dirty low-down:

Ogre has frontal stun immunity.
Level 60 with Torpor is absolutely the Shaman class's power spike.
Level 60 with Torpor nullifies any regeneration bonus the Troll might enjoy.
Level 60 with Torpor, Ogre is clearly the superior shaman, and probably the strongest race/class combination in the game.
If you don't care about level 60 with Torpor, and farming the hardest things you can and doing it the easiest, then Troll has a great look, regeneration, and snare click.

tl;dr: Troll 1-59. Ogre 60.

[Ricky Bobby]

Originally Posted by Slave35 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the dirty low-down:

Ogre has frontal stun immunity.
Level 60 with Torpor is absolutely the Shaman class's power spike.
Level 60 with Torpor nullifies any regeneration bonus the Troll might enjoy.
Level 60 with Torpor, Ogre is clearly the superior shaman, and probably the strongest race/class combination in the game.
If you don't care about level 60 with Torpor, and farming the hardest things you can and doing it the easiest, then Troll has a great look, regeneration, and snare click.

tl;dr: Troll 1-59. Ogre 60.

I see a pattern here. Torpor, Torpor, Torpor.
If Torpor is so huge then why do you say Ogre is the superior race? All shaman's of any race can use Torpor. Barb, Troll, Iksar.

Even while you're using Torpor you'll still be getting more health regen as a troll or iksar. So torpor+more health regen. Whoa.. And you said it yourself three times.. Torpor What does torpor do? it regens health. More health regen? Yes please.

Torpor lasts 4 ticks,. Standing a troll/iksar would get 33 more health then a ogre. Sitting they'd get 44 more health.
torpor = 300hp * 4 ticks = 1200 health
1276 health(ogre/barb(fungi)) vs 1308(troll/iksar(fungi)) standing
1288 health(ogre/barb(fungi)) vs 1332(troll/iksar(fungi)) sitting.

Frontal stun immunity or not,.. you're going to be regening so much it wont matter, Ogre or Not. Just use your spells, abilities and skill as a shaman to not get caught in a situation where you're getting frontal stun locked.
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I do not believe that the Ogre's racial is as crucial to the shaman class as say it is to the warrior class. The power of the shaman really doesn't come from it's race as has been mentioned many times. Even the op admits this. It's the spells it has in the endgame.

I know this card has been pulled one too many times,. But there is Barb shamans who can do content just as hard as any other race. They don't get regen or frontal stun immunity. What does that tell you? I get the feeling the race doesn't matter honestly. But I rest easier at night thinking about my improved regen on my troll vs my barb.

Edit: Why did I take time to write all this out? Your post makes it sound like ogre is the clear cut winner. At least in my initial post I presented some positive facts about all the shaman race choices. Saying that one is better just because it is doesn't help people.

[Slave35]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see a pattern here. Torpor, Torpor, Torpor.
If Torpor is so huge then why do you say Ogre is the superior race? All shaman's of any race can use Torpor. Barb, Troll, Iksar.

Even while you're using Torpor you'll still be getting more health regen as a troll or iksar. So torpor+more health regen. Whoa.. And you said it yourself three times.. Torpor What does torpor do? it regens health. More health regen? Yes please.

Torpor lasts 4 ticks,. Standing a troll/iksar would get 33 more health then a ogre. Sitting they'd get 44 more health.
torpor = 300hp * 4 ticks = 1200 health
1276 health(ogre/barb(fungi)) vs 1308(troll/iksar(fungi)) standing
1288 health(ogre/barb(fungi)) vs 1332(troll/iksar(fungi)) sitting.

Frontal stun immunity or not,.. you're going to be regening so much it wont matter, Ogre or Not. Just use your spells, abilities and skill as a shaman to not get caught in a situation where you're getting frontal stun locked.
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I do not believe that the Ogre's racial is as crucial to the shaman class as say it is to the warrior class. The power of the shaman really doesn't come from it's race as has been mentioned many times. Even the op admits this. It's the spells it has in the endgame.

I know this card has been pulled one too many times,. But there is Barb shamans who can do content just as hard as any other race. They don't get regen or frontal stun immunity. What does that tell you? I get the feeling the race doesn't matter honestly. But I rest easier at night thinking about my improved regen on my troll vs my barb.

Edit: Why did I take time to write all this out? Your post makes it sound like ogre is the clear cut winner. At least in my initial post I presented some positive facts about all the shaman race choices. Saying that one is better just because it is doesn't help people.

Frontal stun immunity is the best racial ability in the entire game, let alone for shaman where it really matters the most. I thought this was so apparent as to be self-evident. Torpor means that any regeneration from Iksar and Troll are completely negated as a benefit. Stun immunity means that getting off just one more spell in an entire fight makes the Ogre another 400+ health more efficient, if that spell is Torpor, and 800+ if that spell is a Slow. Multiply that by every single time you cast a spell.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get the feeling the race doesn't matter honestly.

I agree. The Shaman doesn't have a genuinely bad race choice; even its worst choice (Barbarian) still ranks among the better options for other classes.

I think, today, a significant consideration for a player just starting out is the massive cost of Torpor--in the 150K range and possibly climbing. There are Shaman players who level, group extensively, reach level 60, raid, then retire their Shamans to alt status without ever being able to afford Torpor. If I was starting today I'd take a long hard look at Iksars or Trolls. Without Torpor, those two have a better quality of life than the others, and Torpor isn't a sure thing for today's new player, if it ever was.

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EDIT: With respect to the Ogre racial, it's excellent for solo-based Shamans. The downside of bash resistance is how it becomes completely worthless as soon as the Shaman isn't being hit--like is the norm any time the Shaman groups with a competent tank, for example. Racial regen has the advantage of always being on and hence always providing its benefit regardless of play style.

Danth

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Slave35 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the dirty low-down:

Ogre has frontal stun immunity.
Level 60 with Torpor is absolutely the Shaman class's power spike.
Level 60 with Torpor nullifies any regeneration bonus the Troll might enjoy.
Level 60 with Torpor, Ogre is clearly the superior shaman, and probably the strongest race/class combination in the game.
If you don't care about level 60 with Torpor, and farming the hardest things you can and doing it the easiest, then Troll has a great look, regeneration, and snare click.

tl;dr: Troll 1-59. Ogre 60.

yea but the superiority of the ogre at 60 is tantamount to saying the barbarian is superior cus in a weird twist of fate you managed to be running from something and got stuck in a tunnel and died because of the ogres size. The frontal stun provides that much of a leg up on the other races.

In other words, its not going to save you're life very much if at all, so I therefor would suggest regen/size as a palpable reason to choose a race.

Lastly, lets to be honest. No mater what perk you get, you'll think about how much the other perks would be more valuable to you... I did barb then ogre, and noticed how frustrating it was more than it was benifitial.. but I do remember playing my barb and every time I ran the gauntlet of rooted rotting mobs to change position and Id get stunned, id think FUCK I BET OGRE DOESN'T GET STUNNED *RAGE*

tl;dr there is no *best* choice, there is a choice that is best for you but in the end you'll think you've chosen wrong no mater what.

[Slave35]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tl;dr there is no *best* choice, there is a choice that is best for you but in the end you'll think you've chosen wrong no mater what.

I've played every race of shaman several times, then the Ogre to 60 and now have Torpor. The whole time before 60 on the Ogre I was still honestly thinking, "holy shit this is literally as OP as sex with two women at once." That's the last I'll comment. Draw your own conclusions; the data's already all here in this thread and about 100 others.