Conservatism vs Progressivism

[Lune]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

The only thing that resonated "as me" with this list, was Irrational gun hate.. Me? personally I hate guns and I think they are dangerous and stupid and for the simple minded.. but I DO NOT THINK it is an issue that should be politicized right now. thats actually part of the reason I love Bernie so much, he doest either.. its too divisive.

I suppose yes i don't care about muslims, but I don't see you posting about accidental gun deaths, which equate to MORE death in america than muslim terrorism. Well aside for 9/11 which I will give you... Im just not going to let that ONE instance, guide my entire belief system like many others.

mass sex assault? - you def going to go out on a limb here.

multiculturalism? - I suppose yu mean that i am unwilling to admit that skin color has NO natural effect on your ability to do ANYTHING. or maybe that its I respect other cultures because they are just as good and just as bad as americans, who are pretty fucking scummy if you actually look at them objectively.

radical feminist? I am simply a feminist, and my feminism ends when someone disagrees that I think Miley Cyrus is the most prolific feminist of our generation.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment.

This country deserves TRUMP

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who grew up in a wealthy, Republican (fiscal conservative) household and community, and became more left-leaning after university, I've become increasingly disappointed with the character of liberalism and progressives.

While, economically, I'll always seek a healthy balance between laissez-faire and interventionism, things like:

-Covering up the mass-sexual-assault incidents
-Flooding Europe and the US with third world immigrants
-Multiculturalism
-Completely misunderstanding the extent to which politics and religion are intertwined for most Muslims
-Faulting Charlie Hebdo for drawing Muhammad instead of terrorists for being animals
-Radical feminism, safe space, white cis-male privilege, etc etc
-Irrational gun hate

... have so thoroughly ruined progressivism for me that I'm not even sure I identify that way anymore. A lot of these things aren't just championed by 'radicals' or 'extremists' either. I just got hired to tutor college students in Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, etc, and I have to do a fucking training seminar on safe spaces as part of my employment. I think people like Bill Maher capture progressivism as it should be, reasonably, but sadly the whole thing seems to be evolving away from that, going down the toilet just like conservatism has since Reagan.

Well I started out that way as well, but I eventually faced a paradigm shift in my life. Although too young to vote, I was around to see Carter at work, and I supported him, even to the point of debating pro Carter in my classroom while 90% of my fellow gen-X'ers there thought I was crazy for doing so. It wasn't until late-term Reagan I started to really shift, though I considered myself a "Reagan Democrat" through most of his administration.

As I look back from now to then, and in observation of the Democrat party to which it has become, I see less and less traditional Democrats, more leftist that really have hijacked that party (though much of the same in the Rep party as well). Even CPUSA endorsed Obama. Now waiting for slurs and tags to be thrown, but neither am I a "Republican", though I do vote for them if the voting is good. I've had wonderful debates with Republicans, really good stuff, but yet not really anything rational with anyone with the little "democrat" tag next to their name. I think most of the rational ones get scared off from the hijackers so thus keep silent. Agree on your points btw.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I started out that way as well, but I eventually faced a paradigm shift in my life. Although too young to vote, I was around to see Carter at work, and I supported him, even to the point of debating pro Carter in my classroom while 90% of my fellow gen-X'ers there thought I was crazy for doing so. It wasn't until late-term Reagan I started to really shift, though I considered myself a "Reagan Democrat" through most of his administration.

As I look back from now to then, and in observation of the Democrat party to which it has become, I see less and less traditional Democrats, more leftist that really have hijacked that party (though much of the same in the Rep party as well). Even CPUSA endorsed Obama. Now waiting for slurs and tags to be thrown, but neither am I a "Republican", though I do vote for them if the voting is good. I've had wonderful debates with Republicans, really good stuff, but yet not really anything rational with anyone with the little "democrat" tag next to their name. I think most of the rational ones get scared off from the hijackers so thus keep silent. Agree on your points btw.

dude next time you feel like writing a wall of text like this? just write "I'm a dumbass" and save us the seconds