ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Jon isn't dead. hes literally the only character with plot armor in the whole story.

while i dont disagree with you that it cant be finished correctly in 2 books, thats not what i'm trying to say. what im saying is that i dont think he'll every write/finish book 7. i think the only reason we'll get book 6 is because so much is already done. but i dont expect book 6 to be of the same quality.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jon isn't dead. hes literally the only character with plot armor in the whole story.

while i dont disagree with you that it cant be finished correctly in 2 books, thats not what i'm trying to say. what im saying is that i dont think he'll every write/finish book 7. i think the only reason we'll get book 6 is because so much is already done. but i dont expect book 6 to be of the same quality.

I think you mean, he won't stay dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -- as your resurrection comment implies below. I think his death will have meaning. I concede Melisandre is in place to have a role in resurrection. It might be the only thing she could do to absolve herself given her errors in judgement/fire readings. I would prefer the Old Gods magic play at least some role. Maybe some Wall magic - it was built with blood and magic.

I worry about the completion of the series. But know what else? I'm addicted to the D&E stories right now. Lot of re-re-re-reading. I love Egg's humor and Dunk's honor and steadfastness. The future for more of these not looking so good, either.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you mean, he won't stay dead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] -- as your resurrection comment implies below. I think his death will have meaning. I concede Melisandre is in place to have a role in resurrection. It might be the only thing she could do to absolve herself given her errors in judgement/fire readings. I would prefer the Old Gods magic play at least some role. Maybe some Wall magic - it was built with blood and magic.

I worry about the completion of the series. But know what else? I'm addicted to the D&E stories right now. Lot of re-re-re-reading. I love Egg's humor and Dunk's honor and steadfastness. The future for more of these not looking so good, either.

yes correct. wont 'stay' dead. and i too love the D&E stories [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly, can we say the fires were wrong? or did they show her exactly what she needed to see to find Azor Azai?

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes correct. wont 'stay' dead. and i too love the D&E stories [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly, can we say the fires were wrong? or did they show her exactly what she needed to see to find Azor Azai?

I would not say her fires were wrong, but I think we can confidently say she hasn't "read" them right. I like Stannis, and I don't know what he'd done about his claim without her, but she her reading of the flames mislead him.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by holahouze [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would not say her fires were wrong, but I think we can confidently say she hasn't "read" them right. I like Stannis, and I don't know what he'd done about his claim without her, but she her reading of the flames mislead him.

100% agreed. and while it sucks for Stannis, Mel was indeed shown everything she needed to see to be guided up to north to find Azor Azai.

Stannis was dumb. he really should have found a way to unite with Renly and Rob. Renly maybe might could have been talked down from the ledge.. but maybe not. Baratheons really are stubborn fickle creatures. but yea, essentially 100% agreed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% agreed. and while it sucks for Stannis, Mel was indeed shown everything she needed to see to be guided up to north to find Azor Azai.

Stannis was dumb. he really should have found a way to unite with Renly and Rob. Renly maybe might could have been talked down from the ledge.. but maybe not. Baratheons really are stubborn fickle creatures. but yea, essentially 100% agreed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rob + Stannis would have been the match. Had they joined forces and made some headway, there's a chance Renly would have come to his senses. Surely, the timing was off for such a match. Rob's dad was dead, lost track of his sisters, and was vexed by the Lannisters. He also had the Northmen in his ear. Stannis had lost one brother, was betrayed by the other, and was vexed by the Lannister B.S. Plus, he had Melisandre in his ear. And so the story grew.

I was thinking about ASOIAF last night, and the exchanges here, and it is astonishing how many storylines are in play. No damn wonder Martin is so slow. He's probably paralyzed.