Wiping the leaderboards

[dis_mornin]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The no true Scotsman stuff is dumb. I obviously prefer Red or I wouldn't be playing on Red.

Given that there are plenty of people to PVP now, and plenty of pixels to fight over; your counter-arguments don't seem to hold much water.

We must be arguing about 2 different things since my counter arguments are all in support of that yes there are plenty of people to pvp now and plenty of pixels to fight over. And also that if you want to move the server backwards by removing YT and LBs.. You're dumb.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by dis_mornin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We must be arguing about 2 different things since my counter arguments are all in support of that yes there are plenty of people to pvp now and plenty of pixels to fight over. And also that if you want to move the server backwards by removing YT and LBs.. You're dumb.

Let me clarify,

Even if we adopt your assumption that YT was useful for stimulating the population, it doesn't necessarily follow that it remains useful now.

You argued that it made the world feel less empty; now that the world is actually less empty this isn't necessary.

You argued that incentivized PVP was important to keep people playing; there's still uncompleted content on Red and farming Velious BiS takes a long long time for the average player.

You argued that there was no reason to PVP other than YT; there are many pixels to fight over now.

Even given your assumption (for which the evidence is anecdotal at best), the population on Red is big enough now that it would be better to address the community issues.

[quido]

Would you guys enjoy the leaderboard more if we included a periodical like the Red99 Faggot Gazette to take shots at people, with clever images?

[dis_mornin]

Originally Posted by Baugi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me clarify,

Even if we adopt your assumption that YT was useful for stimulating the population, it doesn't necessarily follow that it remains useful now.

You argued that it made the world feel less empty; now that the world is actually less empty this isn't necessary.

You argued that incentivized PVP was important to keep people playing; there's still uncompleted content on Red and farming Velious BiS takes a long long time for the average player.

You argued that there was no reason to PVP other than YT; there are many pixels to fight over now.

Even given your assumption (for which the evidence is anecdotal at best), the population on Red is big enough now that it would be better to address the community issues.

Most of those points were brought up by others. But thanks for the summary.

Point is there are many reasons peoples are going to log on. There is a decent percentage of the population I would think logs in for pvp. If I'm not logging in for a raid, I'm logging in for pvp and there is a decent chunk of people I know operate the same. YT incentives that PvP. Hell I was even talking with a pal the other day how the points system on the LB incentived it even more. It gave a reason to log in.

For those who think YT just increases plugging.. Are you going to tell me your all the sudden not going to plug from pvp because you won't have a YT go off when you die? Gtfo cause that's a lie. There was plugging pre YT and shit pre YT you would be shamed even harder because people would make entire threads about you dying.

[El Camacho]

Originally Posted by dis_mornin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For those who think YT just increases plugging.. Are you going to tell me your all the sudden not going to plug from pvp because you won't have a YT go off when you die? Gtfo cause that's a lie. There was plugging pre YT and shit pre YT you would be shamed even harder because people would make entire threads about you dying.

Easiest way to find out would be to turn off the leaderboard or yellow text for a month.

I'm sure some plug to avoid long corpse recoveries just as much as to avoid the yellow text.