If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me ask you this. Let us assume that there was a big bang (talk about having faith!). Where did all that matter come from? Did it just pop into being? It wasn't created at all? It just came into existence? (once again, talk about faith!)

Here's the first thing you need to understand about matter. It's really just energy. Specifically, discreet particles called 'photons'.Since you can neither create nor destroy energy, photons have always been. It is believed that all energy in the universe was concentrated in an unimaginably tiny, unimaginably dense, yet stable, 'ball' of energy at one time. *Something* disrupted that stasis and photons began to spatially separate and decay into other arrangements that had much less electrical attraction and thus made larger, more stable particles, like quarks, protons and so on. This happened at a fantastically rapid rate, along the lines of 1.0 x 10^-15 (.000000000000001) seconds. What happened in that fraction of a second is still a mystery, as the mathematical equations don't work the way they do for all time beyond that first bit.
One thing is for certain, all matter (energy) has always existed, it's just been arranged differently in the past.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the first thing you need to understand about matter. It's really just energy. Specifically, discreet particles called 'photons'.Since you can neither create nor destroy energy, photons have always been. It is believed that all energy in the universe was concentrated in an unimaginably tiny, unimaginably dense, yet stable, 'ball' of energy at one time. *Something* disrupted that stasis and photons began to spatially separate and decay into other arrangements that had much less electrical attraction and thus made larger, more stable particles, like quarks, protons and so on. This happened at a fantastically rapid rate, along the lines of 1.0 x 10^-15 (.000000000000001) seconds. What happened in that fraction of a second is still a mystery, as the mathematical equations don't work the way they do for all time beyond that first bit.
One thing is for certain, all matter (energy) has always existed, it's just been arranged differently in the past.

How in the flying fuck do you know that? lol

Not even what, decade ago, we didn't even know where more than half of the universe's mass was, nevermind WHAT it was? You're going to make a claim as strong as that based on what precious little we "know" now?

[quellren]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How in the flying fuck do you know that? lol

Not even what, decade ago, we didn't even know where more than half of the universe's mass was, nevermind WHAT it was? You're going to make a claim as strong as that based on what precious little we "know" now?

It's the first Law of Thermodynamics. You don't have to know where it is, or what it weighs to understand that you cannot create or destroy energy.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the first Law of Thermodynamics. You don't have to know where it is, or what it weighs to understand that you cannot create or destroy energy.

I know you can't create or destroy energy. (given current knowledge)

That wasn't my point. How do we "know" that anything has "always been"? The very nature of that is beyond our understanding.

[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the first Law of Thermodynamics. You don't have to know where it is, or what it weighs to understand that you cannot create or destroy energy.

The law of conservation of energy (the First Law of Thermodynamics) is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created or destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another. The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form: for instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy.

Prove that the Universe is a closed system. You cannot. No one can. Many have theories, but no proof, and most believe that is an Open System. So Mr. science guy, the law of conservation of energy cannot apply to the Universe which means matter CAN be created and destroyed with the Universe. I ask again...how did that matter come to being. Answer - GOD!

[Hauling]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The law of conservation of energy (the First Law of Thermodynamics) is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created or destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another. The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form: for instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy.

Prove that the Universe is a closed system. You cannot. No one can. Many have theories, but no proof, and most believe that is an Open System. So Mr. science guy, the law of conservation of energy cannot apply to the Universe which means matter CAN be created and destroyed with the Universe. I ask again...how did that matter come to being. Answer - GOD!

I think you missed a few steps there. It's always a leap to god for you religious folks without ever digging deeper. Our understanding of the universe and physics is incomplete. Does that mean we won't learn more? Yes, if we always jump to conclusions like you just did.

[Boggwin Bramblefoot]

Originally Posted by Hauling [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you missed a few steps there. It's always a leap to god for you religious folks without ever digging deeper. Our understanding of the universe and physics is incomplete (how convenient). Does that mean we won't learn more? Yes, if we always jump to conclusions like you just did.

Dude, you cannot just answer the question? That is the "leap" you science guys always take. If we cannot defend our "wiki" knowledge of physics we will just say that it is incomplete and therefore your arguments (which we can argue against) wrong. Admit that you got pwned. And what is this about digging deeper? How about you dig deeper and try to answer my earlier questions about the "closed system" thing. And please...point out the few steps I missed there.

[Hauling]

Originally Posted by Boggwin Bramblefoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, you cannot just answer the question? That is the "leap" you science guys always take. If we cannot defend our "wiki" knowledge of physics we will just say that it is incomplete and therefore your arguments (which we can argue against) wrong. Admit that you got pwned. And what is this about digging deeper? How about you dig deeper and try to answer my earlier questions about the "closed system" thing. And please...point out the few steps I missed there.

There is no leap when it comes to science. That's the point. We don't know all the answers. So we keep looking till we find it. And if we run into more questions, we look for more answers.

Your whole argument is that because we haven't found answers yet, that is proof there is a god. Once again, another fallacy of false cause.

If my enduring fallacious arguments means I got "pwned" then congrats. You have won this battle of witlessness.

The closed system thing that you brought up will be answered in good time and the person that does that will receive the nobel prize. One more time and then I'm done repeating it. Just because we don't have all the answers yet is not proof that there is a god.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How in the flying fuck do you know that? lol

Not even what, decade ago, we didn't even know where more than half of the universe's mass was, nevermind WHAT it was? You're going to make a claim as strong as that based on what precious little we "know" now?

no that's actually jr high science!

[Henini]

So Boggwin Bramblefoot

To sum it up, judging by what you say, god is as real as dreams are.


I think we found a place to agree on god finally!


either that or its' a pickle eating bear. ( I hope you had your rock in your dream!!)