Chardok PL and PnP

[nyclin]

the only people railing against chardok aoe are

1) not able to afford it
2) too stuck up to see the value in it

it's classic mechanics and the people who supposedly have "SEVERAL level 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild" would likely have these alts anyway, obtained through other means

still not sure why there aren't any sebilis AOE groups on this server, step it up pls

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only people railing against chardok aoe are

1) not able to afford it
2) too stuck up to see the value in it

it's classic mechanics and the people who supposedly have "SEVERAL level 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild" would likely have these alts anyway, obtained through other means

still not sure why there aren't any sebilis AOE groups on this server, step it up pls

Why would I waste thousands of plat to sit, and not experience the game?

Why would anyone want to login to play...to only not play?

its not being stuck up, its understanding that playing a video game is more fun when you actually play it.

You say its classic; Ok. I see it as borderline exploiting. No different than boxing or RMT. Chardok was not meant to be ae swarmed anyway.

Its not my intention to ruin whatever people on this server want to pay for, I just don't want my experience ruined by a bunch of RMT jerks blatantly breaking the PnP policy on this server. I SHOULD be able to xp in Chardok without paying thousands to do it or come to some sort of accord with exploiters.

And, according to the GM who posted after my OP, I don't have to.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Malbolshia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would I waste thousands of plat to sit, and not experience the game?

because that's how some people want to spend their plat? if you've got the plat and want to level up an alt quickly, why not save some effort? for 2k per pull you can go do chores, spend time with your familiy, talk to friends, etc. while progressing your character.

You say its classic; Ok. I see it as borderline exploiting. No different than boxing or RMT.

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I SHOULD be able to xp in Chardok without paying thousands to do it or come to some sort of accord with exploiters. And, according to the GM who posted after my OP, I don't have to.

yes you should, and you can

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because that's how some people want to spend their plat?

I solo charmed levels from 33 to about 48 in Nurga/Droga.

Usually about 1-4 pp per mob, goblin forged chain that sells for about 15pp-35pp per piece. I probably spent about a month in a half grinding plat and levels there.

You know how much plat I made minus spells? About 800pp.

My point is, unless all these people 'spending their plat' farmed non stop fungi tunics or CoF's, they still wouldn't have enough plat to go from low 40's to level 60 at 2k per pull.....

Unless they RMT'd

Great way for the GM's to find people RMTing. Investigate those buying PL's in Chardok.

Here, let me quote this part for you, as it seems you left it out of yours.

Its not my intention to ruin whatever people on this server want to pay for, I just don't want my experience ruined by a bunch of RMT jerks blatantly breaking the PnP policy on this server

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Malbolshia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I solo charmed levels from 33 to about 48 in Nurga/Droga.

Usually about 1-4 pp per mob, goblin forged chain that sells for about 15pp-35pp per piece. I probably spent about a month in a half grinding plat and levels there.

You know how much plat I made minus spells? About 800pp.

My point is, unless all these people 'spending their plat' farmed non stop fungi tunics or CoF's, they still wouldn't have enough plat to go from low 40's to level 60 at 2k per pull.....

Unless they RMT'd

Great way for the GM's to find people RMTing. Investigate those buying PL's in Chardok.

Here, let me quote this part for you, as it seems you left it out of yours.

that's hard to believe you only made 800pp, even accounting for spell purchases. i think i made on the order of 3k from centaurs in SK from levels 22-30. although i suppose this was with a 40% exp penalty in a no-zem-boost outdoor zone.

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's hard to believe you only made 800pp, even accounting for spell purchases. i think i made on the order of 3k from centaurs in SK from levels 22-30. although i suppose this was with a 40% exp penalty in a no-zem-boost outdoor zone.

The majority of my coin went to spells.

Spells like Reoccurring Amnesia, Allure, Shifting Deeds, Blanket of Forgetfulness.

Each cost me anywhere from 100-200 pp per spell.

Due to the rarity of them, the seller had me by the balls.

Peridots also have a significant cost for Rune IV. 200pp a stack, and usually go through a rune for each pull for charm breaks.

The rest went to vendor bought spells, food/drink and mostly paying for ports too Kunark from EC or ports to WC from OT. 60pp a pop there as well. and pretty frequent due to the overwhelming amount of weight in my bags from loot.

Also, from your sig looks like you play a bard, must be nice only having to buy one song per level.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only people railing against chardok aoe are

1) not able to afford it
2) too stuck up to see the value in it

it's classic mechanics and the people who supposedly have "SEVERAL level 60s of the same class, paid for by their raiding guild" would likely have these alts anyway, obtained through other means

still not sure why there aren't any sebilis AOE groups on this server, step it up pls

Callin BS here. 2) in particular rankles; it is the explicit PoV of the high end raiding scene, and only them. Thanks for dismissing the rest of us, big fella. But 1) is a crock too. I'd say most people who start on p99 aren't starting just so they can make enough cash to powerlevel other toons. They're playing to play, because the game is enjoyable to them in a way it no longer is to those who express this viewpoint.

Whatever, as long as GMs/guides will support the PnP and side with people XPing in Chardok instead of proxy pulls that's fine with me. Hopefully, the revamp will make the whole proxy thing either greatly more difficult or impossible. (Just make one out of every ten mobs immune to stun. Problem solved. Not classic, I know.)

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Callin BS here. 2) in particular rankles; it is the explicit PoV of the high end raiding scene, and only them. Thanks for dismissing the rest of us, big fella. But 1) is a crock too. I'd say most people who start on p99 aren't starting just so they can make enough cash to powerlevel other toons. They're playing to play, because the game is enjoyable to them in a way it no longer is to those who express this viewpoint.

Whatever, as long as GMs/guides will support the PnP and side with people XPing in Chardok instead of proxy pulls that's fine with me. Hopefully, the revamp will make the whole proxy thing either greatly more difficult or impossible. (Just make one out of every ten mobs immune to stun. Problem solved. Not classic, I know.)

i'm not a high end raider and my main was only in a guild for about 2 months

i doubt that most people start here with the intention of making cash to powerlevel alts, but i'd wager that it becomes a goal for at least some of them

my admittedly acerbic post was meant to illustrate the point that people will play in a way that they find enjoyable. if someone wants to farm cash to pay for chardok proxies, who are you to say that they are less of a player or worse of a player than someone who doesn't?