How to Trust a moderate Muslim?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, is that the reasoning they went with to try and wiggle out of Old Testament laws? "They don't apply to us because we aren't Jews of the Kingdom of Israel" The fact of the matter is, in early days of Christianity, most OT lifestyle laws were unpalatable to Europeans and were thrown out, and scholars came up with your favorable, convenient interpretation to fill the gap, in the same way that facilitated the Catholic acceptance of evolution.

I'm not attacking your faith, but I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that the OT accounts of everything about Adam and Eve / Exodus / Genesis haven't been made so watered down and preposterous by modern understanding and poor theology so as to be a complete joke. I think very little of what the OT once was remains in the core identity of Christianity, and every time they bend the scripture to adapt it to a new century it comes a little closer to breaking.

You area really showing your ignorance here Lune =/ and just coming across as angry rather than reasoned. You're completely ignoring the essence of Christianity.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You area really showing your ignorance here Lune =/ and just coming across as angry rather than reasoned. You're completely ignoring the essence of Christianity.

Cognitive dissonance?

I actually think he's addressing it pretty directly.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You area really showing your ignorance here Lune =/ and just coming across as angry rather than reasoned. You're completely ignoring the essence of Christianity.

Tell me more about the essence of Christianity. Which denomination's essence are you talking about? Catholics? Lutherans? Mennonites? Because they are all pretty different.

Let's start with one of the basic fundamentals of OG Christianity: compassion for the poor. He who is humbled shall be exalted, right? Paul the Apostle made a big deal about this.

For over 1500 years there was an identity crisis between the core of Christ's message toward poverty and greed, and basic economic reality. Most Europeans wouldn't even lend money and charge interest for centuries. As late as the 1600's people were writing plays like Cenodoxus and Faust about the dangers of wealth and pride, people who burned in hell for making too much money and being proud of their accomplishments. Modern Christianity, and modern Christian nations, are so unlike Christ's original teachings it astounds me. It was a trend among Spanish nobles to see who could live in conditions of poverty with the most ostentation, and who could go on the longest beggar pilgrimages.

I'm pretty sure that simply by rejecting capitalism, I'm almost as Christian as you guys are.

"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:25 is pretty clear, as is Luke 14:11

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so unlike Christ's original teachings it astounds me.

Those are what I am talking about, you seem to be caught up with the people. Is that your actual issue w/ Islam as well? Do you not have any actual concerns about the ideology and more just a distaste for the people practicing it?

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure that simply by rejecting capitalism, I'm almost as Christian as you guys are.

I'm not Christian. You know what they say about when you assume something right?