Respawn Dain after a failed Ring War

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ringwar compete. Amazing feat considering it was "un-winnable"! Grats Ramptakeguard!

It only took 130+ people with Rampage being super decked out from pillaging NToV and ST for months on end. That should be evidence enough that it isn't classically tuned.

[Erati]

How many 10th rings were even completed before Luclin n AAs tho

characters got much stronger quickly

[-Catherin-]

Did Trampage actually exceed 100 combined? i know we started the event around low 80s. Additional people outside our two guilds were mostly just picking off one shots for faction.

Was a combination of a good group of people that has already shown they work well together, and some pretty decent spawn positions on the giants. it only got a little crazy at the very end when we had a spawn all the way to the east followed by another all the way to the west and then one right up the middle. But was handled beautifully.

[-Catherin-]

Not sure of the time accuracy, stole it from another thread. And its a zonewide, not just Trampage.

[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Virtuoso] Skribs (Half Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Axiam <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [47 Shadow Knight] Grahf (Ogre)
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Pubo <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Dreft <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [52 Wanderer] Wootles (Wood Elf) <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Droppad <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Farsight (Gnome) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlock] Slowpoy (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Sinko <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Sowgirl <Fires of Heaven>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [54 Mystic] Scrack (Barbarian) <Clue>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Tuddy
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Toobit <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Ataka (Iksar) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Ubortion <Taken> LFG
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Xatum <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [55 Master] Slapt (Human)
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [53 Wanderer] Smallpawx (Wolf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [56 Luminary] Suntrader (Barbarian) <Ill Tempered Sea Bass>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Varzii (Dark Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Zatsum <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [48 Warrior] Spare (Ogre)
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Southpaws (Iksar) <Rampage> LFG
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warder] Leod (Wood Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlock] Mannymoejack (Skeleton) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Nibblewitz <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Grumpy (Dwarf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Woms
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warder] Eliena (Human) <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlord] Trilok (Iksar) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [49 Magician] Saltwater (Dark Elf) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Astro (Erudite) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 High Priest] Sudlarvn (Gnome) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Tacotunes <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [53 Channeler] Noldun (Dark Elf) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Toverland (Gnome) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Oracle] Pyrocat (Dark Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [51 Rake] Penee (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [59 Blackguard] Katierakel (Wood Elf) <Forsaken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Yaolin (Human) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 High Priest] Lenu (Dwarf) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Pimpeck <Azure Guard> LFG
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 High Priest] Halliel (High Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Kinglance (Barbarian) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Phantasmist] Ciixual (Erudite) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [59 Defiler] Eyermtd (Skeleton) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlord] Gorruk (Ogre) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Oracle] Jonasty (Troll) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Fuge (Dwarf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Hierophant] Indefinite (Wood Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Maori (Iksar) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [57 Troubadour] Maestroni (Human)
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Phantasmist] Naldiane (High Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Phantasmist] Hyjal (Dark Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Prollapse (Dwarf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warder] Skydash (Wood Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 High Priest] Kimanna (High Elf) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Crusader] Thadew (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Nerakim <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Enthusiast (Human) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Phantasmist] Dwyn (High Elf) <Europa>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlord] Meefus (Ogre) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Durzoblint <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Bluemagic (Dark Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlord] Naethyn (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 High Priest] Faumieni (High Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Henrique (Iksar) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Oracle] Tardars (Barbarian) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Arch Mage] Breaken (Human) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Nolos (Iksar) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Diamondfist (Iksar) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [56 Preserver] Jobbe (Wood Elf)
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Rainbowcop (Human) <Clue>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Padilla (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Arch Mage] Sweeni (Dark Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Oracle] Eroqa (Skeleton) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Virtuoso] Downstairs (Gnome) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Moonwood <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlock] Phiren (Skeleton) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [58 Templar] Bellossom (Gnome) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Hierophant] Briscoe (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Snackon (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Violint (Iksar) <Bone Diddlies>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Froogle (Halfling) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Hokushin (Human) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Koraf (Dwarf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Sojutsu (Dark Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlock] Isham (Erudite) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlord] Aldred (Troll) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Azeth (Barbarian) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Enorm (Skeleton) <Rampage> LFG
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [56 Luminary] Ghostfacez (Iksar) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Grandmaster] Kautin (Dark Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Sorcerer] Atmas (High Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [ANONYMOUS] Jhar
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Hierophant] Kenilu (Wood Elf) <Taken>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Warlord] Lassmiranda (Skeleton) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 High Priest] Xerra (High Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Izaic (Barbarian) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [55 Revenant] Tsuko (Dark Elf) <Azure Guard>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] [60 Assassin] Figher (Dark Elf) <Rampage>
[Sat Dec 26 12:53:33 2015] There are 101 players in Great Divide.

[arsenalpow]

Ahh, someone was texting me that it was around 130 to get the job done. It's good to see that it's "beatable" but I don't think it's classically tuned.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh, someone was texting me that it was around 130 to get the job done. It's good to see that it's "beatable" but I don't think it's classically tuned.

Probably not, but considering all the other things that are harder than they should be classically, i doubt the powers that be really care, or intend to make many changes for that matter. With all of the knowledge we have and time spent in Kunark it's probably more of a classic experience to keep things more difficult anyways.

[Detoxx]

This agreement is no longer in effect being that Rampage no longer exists as well as Taken.

[bktroost]

This agreement was never in effect being that it was never in effect. People did failed ring wars on wave 1 twice a day this month, weeks in a row.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This agreement was never in effect being that it was never in effect. People did failed ring wars on wave 1 twice a day this month, weeks in a row.

True. Need a new thread made to come to an agreement between all guilds.

[Pan]

Need the staff to take care of business re expectations on a bugged mob.

Until they do, making an agreement to cheat (exploiting a known bug) in a way that's more convenient is really pretty bankrupt. (Ignore this and proceed below if I've missed something here re staff statements.)

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But I don't really blame anyone for taking this approach. Not picking on you, Detoxx or anyone trying to get stuff figured out. It's part of a larger problem. We have some pretty robust raid rules here. But they're not always followed and much less often enforced. And it seems the enforcement is either wildly inconsistent or purely whimsical - not to mention not very timely.

Further, the notion of "Fraps or it didn't happen" is pretty absurd in its own right when you're talking consistent enforcement or deterrence - which, not so coincidentally, seem to be the drivers for having rules at all.

In brief (and I'm not known for that), if the rules that we're asked to follow are not enforced consistently, swiftly, and with some real teeth (heavy enough to deter), there's no point in having raid rules or server rules at all.

That's on the gods (small g) of the server. Not speaking for Omni or CSG here but someone who has been around a while:

Staff, figure out what kind of support you can give to the raid scene. Write rules that you're able to enforce given that level of support. Be consistent. And quick. And harsh enough to get the outcomes you want. And communicate those outcomes up front. If you want chaos and drama, tell us straight up. If you want something smoother, figure out rules and enforcement mechanisms that are both consistent and commensurate with your staffing abilities.