Muslims in Denmark protesting for a caliphate, Sweden now rape capital of the west

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah so you've shown by algebra that Muslims are nefarious! What's the next step?

Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies.

[Rastignac]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies.

eh, if the last 300 years are any indication, America has the assimilation game pretty well mastered. despite the fact that those with racist and fascist impulses trot out these same fear-based arguments every single time.

There is no evidence that Muslim Americans represent a security threat. The majority of our terrorism is perpetrated by White Christians.

[Rastignac]

If you want to do your part, a good first step is to stop thinking about 1.2 billion people as a single unit. This fear-mongering helps nobody except extreme Muslim elements who want to portray Americans as being bent upon the destruction of Islam.

[Rastignac]

Here's some of that data you're so fond of

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...reat.html?_r=0

[Rastignac]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies.

Also all of this is patently unconstitutional. Which in this case is pretty much a euphemism for fascist.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eh, if the last 300 years are any indication, America has the assimilation game pretty well mastered. despite the fact that those with racist and fascist impulses trot out these same fear-based arguments every single time.

There is no evidence that Muslim Americans represent a security threat. The majority of our terrorism is perpetrated by White Christians.

It's a very different thing to integrate Irish, Italians, Germans, etc who are all very culturally similar.

We've still failed in many ways to integrate blacks, Chinese, and many other groups.

It's not about a threat to our security, but a threat to our culture. Making 15% of your country Muslim when over 50% of those Muslims support enacting Sharia law is problematic. You can see in that paper that, after immigration by Muslims, the Dutch experienced their first two political assassinations since the Enlightenment: Muslims killing Dutch artists and cartoonists for religious reasons.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to do your part, a good first step is to stop thinking about 1.2 billion people as a single unit. This fear-mongering helps nobody except extreme Muslim elements who want to portray Americans as being bent upon the destruction of Islam.

I never did this. Islam spans many different cultures, but it does have some core values that tend to be preserved across cultural lines. They kill each other more than they kill us.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's some of that data you're so fond of

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...reat.html?_r=0

You don't find the way they assemble their narrative disingenuous? They conveniently exclude 9/11. That's like me saying Smallpox isn't a dangerous virus because it has killed so few people since we cured it.

That said, I don't necessarily disagree. It's more about culture than the threat of terrorist violence.

Originally Posted by Rastignac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also all of this is patently unconstitutional. Which in this case is pretty much a euphemism for fascist.

You keep calling me fascist like I give a shit. I am a fascist. Not all fascism is national socialism, and it's an extreme left ideology as much as an extreme right one.

[Rastignac]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a very different thing to integrate Irish, Italians, Germans, etc who are all very culturally similar.

We've still failed in many ways to integrate blacks, Chinese, and many other groups.

It's not about a threat to our security, but a threat to our culture. Making 15% of your country Muslim when over 50% of those Muslims support enacting Sharia law is problematic. You can see in that article that, after immigration by Muslims, the Dutch experienced their first two political assassinations since the Enlightenment: Muslims killing Dutch artists and cartoonists for religious reasons.



I never did this. Islam spans many different cultures, but it does have some core values that tend to be preserved across cultural lines.



You don't find the way they assemble their narrative disingenuous? They conveniently exclude 9/11. That's like me saying Smallpox isn't a dangerous virus because it has killed so few people since we cured it.

That said, I don't necessarily disagree. It's more about culture than the threat of terrorist violence.

Do you differentiate yourself from the anti-immigrant ranters of the past? Or do you just think they were right?

[Rastignac]

And furthermore Irish, German and Italian immigrants seem culturally similar to you now precisely due to assimilation. At the time the Irish were considered sub-human, rape-hungry, drunk simians by the WASP establishment. They did their best to keep them out, marshaling the same arguments you are marshaling.

In point of fact, America, as a traditionally Christian nation, has far more culture in common with Muslims, another people of the book, then they do with Chinese, Japanese, Hindus, Southeast Asians, etc.

Muslims are just available to you as a convenient other. You are deriving the same pleasure and sense of security from your bigotry as any bigot in the past. You are just experiencing it in the present tense.

But don't mistake me, the convictions that are animating these posts of yours give you a window onto all fascist impulses of the past. In a way you are getting to know what it was like to be a regular ol' German 30-something in 1933.

[maskedmelon]

Rast the problem does not originate with people it originates with Islam. How much of the Koran have you read? The values espoused by that text are patently incompatible with Western ideals. Muslims are different from previous immigrant groups in that regard. And that is the reason for failed assimilation.

[Rastignac]

And your skepticism about the NYT poll is laughable. First of all its inclusion would not have substantially altered the statistical results. Secondly it was a very long time ago and the world has changed dramatically since. Third of all it would have no relevant bearing as a predictor of the behavior of Muslim immigrants, which has been stellar compared to the behavior of other Americans.

Statistics are often the refuge of a simple mind. You have racist confirmation bias painted on every word you write.