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Old 12-02-2015, 02:59 PM
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Or instead of coming in here and calling us racists and fascists, make a point and say why we're wrong. Good points were made in this thread on both sides and I've refined my views. I'm always open to facts.

This forum needs more reasonable people and less low-effort trolls and morons.
If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in. What you call an exchange of views is really just a bunch of bone heads trotting out their jingoism and xenophobia, indulging in peurile pleasure, and then donning a tone of moderation later on to feel better about themselves. This conversation is not virtuous. If you want to educate yourself read real news
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:08 PM
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lol stasis literally spewing propaganda from a dictator. sigh.
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I'm gonna poke the stupid bag and ask you which 1st world governments you are talking about.
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It was indeed a gotcha question, as in, you were talking out of your ass and I got ya.

The nations working with Assad are themselves authoritarian nations. He has bombed his own territory, created the worst refugee crisis in decades and employed chemical weapons against his own people.

Now if these things fail to move you, so be it. If you are ignorant of them, go do your homework.
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Oooh this thread really bringing out the Red99 psychos. Never change!
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Yall need to chill out and luxuriate in the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Also instead of ban hammering can we just get badges? Racist badge, fascist badge, "i get my news from Drudge Report" badge, etc.


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If you respond to someone spewing ignorant hate by flattering them with calm, patient replies, they walk away thinking that they have participated in a conversation. It's bad reinforcement. That's how free speech works - you get to say what you want, and you get to be marginalized as a result.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:09 PM
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If you want to educate yourself read real news
You use the news to educate yourself and you're calling me a bone head? The news is for being notified about an event that happens, not telling you how to think, in spite of all your American conditioning to the contrary. I read plenty of pro-Muslim editorials on Al-Jazeera but I balance it out with what I know and what is empirically verifiable about the world, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on this forum who has provided a shitload of facts supporting my assertions about Muslims.

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If you read the thread then you would know I dismantled the all-too-charitable notion that there are competing reasonable views here a few pages in.
I thought this was that other thread, you're right this thread sucks.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:14 PM
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Putting aside the fact the polls of public opinion in the United States paint an equally horrifying picture (among people whose level of education and freedom from conflict should have produced a kinder outlook on life), let's entertain your statistics.

What about the majorities in each case who do not share those hateful opinions? What about, in the case of your first citation, the 80% of British Muslims who do not sympathize with the 7/7 bombers? Should they be denied tolerance?

and by the way "it's time to stop tolerating those who don't deserve tolerance" is literally a perfect definition of fascism.

you have earned your badge, sir.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:20 PM
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Ah so you've shown by algebra that Muslims are nefarious! What's the next step?
So does this response suggest you consider statistics to be hateful?
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:21 PM
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So does this response suggest you consider statistics to be hateful?
it was a question.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:25 PM
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Ah so you've shown by algebra that Muslims are nefarious! What's the next step?
Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:27 PM
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Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies.
eh, if the last 300 years are any indication, America has the assimilation game pretty well mastered. despite the fact that those with racist and fascist impulses trot out these same fear-based arguments every single time.

There is no evidence that Muslim Americans represent a security threat. The majority of our terrorism is perpetrated by White Christians.
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:35 PM
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Let it shape public policy regarding immigration and assimilation. Try to break up immigrant enclaves by busing or affirmative action so they do not form parallel societies. Allow a proper volume of immigrants to adapt in a welcoming, compassionate, open society without forming parallel societies or dramatically altering the host culture.

Many countries who tried multiculturalism have admitted it does not work, and have stated the need for immigrants to adapt to host country norms and values, triggering self-discovery and exploration of their policies.
Also all of this is patently unconstitutional. Which in this case is pretty much a euphemism for fascist.
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