An idea too settle this whole skill level dispute thing

[guineapig]

So after all the guild drama, given the chance to actually show what your guild can do nobody is interested? Wow.

I thought it would have been a lot of fun and something new and different.
I guess some people only play the game for pixel prizes after all.

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought it would have been a lot of fun and something new and different.
I guess some people only play the game for pixel prizes after all.

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The whole "do less with more" thing is just what a guild says when they lose a mob to another guild who happens to have more people at the time. None of the kills require skill, and the idea of trying to prove it with less people would be pointless.

Hell, you do this, go back on p99 and say "oh yeah, well we killed CT with 20 people", the guild you're saying that to reply "oh yeah? well when you were killing a CT with no loot on test we camped him on p99 with 50 and got some loot".

Winner = no one.

[Ponden]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Winner = no one.

Guineapig, you can stop trying to solve the problems of P99.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So after all the guild drama, given the chance to actually show what your guild can do nobody is interested? Wow.

If they actually had to put their "money where their mouth was", so to speak, then everyone would know once and for all who the most skilled guild was and then there wouldn't be any drama over it. And we wouldn't want THAT, now... would we?

The fact that the uberguilds aren't biting on this tells me it's a great way to determine which guild is more skilled once you take 'having to put up zerg forces to compete/poopsock against the competition' out of the equation. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Loke]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that the uberguilds aren't biting on this tells me it's a great way to determine which guild is more skilled once you take 'having to put up zerg forces to compete/poopsock against the competition' out of the equation. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean the fact that the uber guilds aren't getting a test server set up to have a competition like this? I agree with whoever said that if something like this were set up, most guilds would partake. I would imagine the majority of people in IB and DA don't really even care about the loot anymore as much as getting the kill. I haven't gotten an upgrade in months and there is really only like 1 item that is an upgrade until Kunark. I know a lot of people in both guilds are in the same position as I am.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean the fact that the uber guilds aren't getting a test server set up to have a competition like this? I agree with whoever said that if something like this were set up, most guilds would partake. I would imagine the majority of people in IB and DA don't really even care about the loot anymore as much as getting the kill. I haven't gotten an upgrade in months and there is really only like 1 item that is an upgrade until Kunark. I know a lot of people in both guilds are in the same position as I am.

You mean new members, alts and apps are not getting geared on raids?

/boggle

I refuse to believe you guys do 60+ raids just for the love of the kill when it can be killed with 30. Where is there any pleasure in that? You guys are gearing toons and/or selling gear. It's all good. But don't say it's not for the pixels.

[Loke]

I said the majority - not all. Apps and new members are most certainly getting gear, and I'm happy that there is someone who can use it - but what I was trying to say (and felt was pretty clear) was that the veteran members of both guilds care less about the loot and more about the kill. Now, this is just an assumption based on my own personal opinion - but I know at least in IB there is a lot of people who, like me, really don't need any of the loot and haven't for quite some time.

Honestly, I really don't care about gearing apps or people's alts - I don't show up to raids at 2am (well, lately I haven't really shown up to raids at all) so that a guildie's alt can run around with God loot. When I do show up for raids it's because I'm competitive and want to get the kill - I haven't really considered the loot aspect of it for quite awhile.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, I really don't care about gearing apps or people's alts - I don't show up to raids at 2am (well, lately I haven't really shown up to raids at all) so that a guildie's alt can run around with God loot. When I do show up for raids it's because I'm competitive and want to get the kill - I haven't really considered the loot aspect of it for quite awhile.

Fair enough. When was the last time you felt challenged on a kill with your current numbers / raid turn out? Or is it just more about making sure the other guys do not get the kill?

I'm just trying to figure out the motivation. Maybe there is something that could make a tournament more appealing to those types of people.

[Loke]

Honestly, there have been a couple CT kills that have been challenging simply because of the other guilds competing. The rest are all just about mobilization. Vox last night was kind of fun just because of how early the raid engaged. There was a draco kill that we actually lost that was kind of fun just because we had like 20 adds.

I mean, every mob outside sky is trivial under ideal conditions - but there are some conditions that make the encounter difficult when competition comes into play.