Simulated Patch Day Repop's

[President]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember days when the emarr server (and i assume others) would be restarted multiple times a day..especially in 1999-2000. "Oh, shit guys.. fire beetles are dropping rubicite and gigantic zweihanders, bankers are duping plat" etc, and they would restart it 5 times or so within 24 hours before they fixed their problem. Every npc would respawn, with each restart.

With that being said, I can't rationalize multi-spawns as being intended by verant/soe. If their servers at the time ran as well as ours does now (lol), they would have only brought it down for scheduled maintenance or patches.

I have discussed with Rogean.. some ideas to statistically increase the amount of raid targets, without needing downtime to achieve them.

In conclusion, it's not the same thing. When you say spawns aren't classic, you are referring to our servers not having to be constantly restarted. I'm not sure that this would prevent people would camping them, either.

I think you assume too much. How do you know that Verant/SOE saw that potentially multiple respawns per week were saving them from a major headache and left respawns on patch in? Do you not think they could have removed that if they wanted to?

The real point is, that when all the bosses spawn at once, it takes poopsocking out of the equation, at least for the most part. And if there is no patch that week, and no variance, then all the bosses are going to spawn again at relatively the same time. This, again, would take poopsocking mostly out of the equation.

When all the bosses spawn at the same time after a patch (whether you announce a time frame, or do it randomly) it is going to encourage racing to at least a few of the targets. That is what EQ was about. Racing to a target to see which guild could gather, buff, and engage first. Not what guild wants to sit 15+ on a spawn point for days.

Just increasing how often they spawn but still keeping them separate and random won't help the current situation.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When all the bosses spawn at the same time after a patch (whether you announce a time frame, or do it randomly) it is going to encourage racing to at least a few of the targets. That is what EQ was about. Racing to a target to see which guild could gather, buff, and engage first. Not what guild wants to sit 15+ on a spawn point for days.

Just increasing how often they spawn but still keeping them separate and random won't help the current situation.

Exactly!

[Felix]

I'm pretty sure President has won this thread.

[Cars]

[QUOTE=President;211347](whether you announce a time frame, or do it randomly) it is going to encourage racing to QUOTE]

If you announce the timeframe absolutely nothing will change. The only difference would be IB and DA would get almost double the loot. On simulated server downs maybe 1 seperate guild would get a boss target well IB and DA both split their raid forces to 2 seperate targets and downed both of them. The only time a seperate guild would get a single target would be if IB and DA camped a team each at the same spawn leaving one boss open. But when they repopped without any variance the guilds would be there again, this time not missing a single boss.

Although their should be more god loot in the game by this point and even though in classic they had server downs that refreshed mobs..it just wouldnt fix the issues we have here like everyone seems to think, or rather not to the extent that everyone would hope.

This server has a WAY higher population of level 50 players then live did on classic on ANY server. Its a very simple issue of extremely big fish in an extremely small pond. Which is probably why the GMs look at this entire thread and shrug it off because they know the only answer to this problem is Kunark and thats why they are working so furiously on it.

If you didn't announce the simulated server repop then you would have entire dungeons popping on "the majority" of players well they are grinding or playing casually. The flip side to that is if you make it so that the simulated server down only repops bosses then what your asking for is not at all classic and you lose the basis of your argument to make things more like classic. I am not in a guild that is getting Boss mobs, but we can and have had opportunities to compete. Variance DOES allow it to be competitive but competition is stiff when the server has 4 times as many raid capable people that there were during this era on live (ballpark figure). Personally I would rather that they focused on Kunark rather then a solution to a problem that will most likely be fixing itself in the near future. And if it doesn't fix the problem they can look into a solution when they dont have so much on their plate like they do now.

my two cents anyways. Flame on

[President]

[QUOTE=Cars;211443]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(whether you announce a time frame, or do it randomly) it is going to encourage racing to QUOTE]

If you announce the timeframe absolutely nothing will change. The only difference would be IB and DA would get almost double the loot. On simulated server downs maybe 1 seperate guild would get a boss target well IB and DA both split their raid forces to 2 seperate targets and downed both of them. The only time a seperate guild would get a single target would be if IB and DA camped a team each at the same spawn leaving one boss open. But when they repopped without any variance the guilds would be there again, this time not missing a single boss.

Although their should be more god loot in the game by this point and even though in classic they had server downs that refreshed mobs..it just wouldnt fix the issues we have here like everyone seems to think, or rather not to the extent that everyone would hope.

This server has a WAY higher population of level 50 players then live did on classic on ANY server. Its a very simple issue of extremely big fish in an extremely small pond. Which is probably why the GMs look at this entire thread and shrug it off because they know the only answer to this problem is Kunark and thats why they are working so furiously on it.

If you didn't announce the simulated server repop then you would have entire dungeons popping on "the majority" of players well they are grinding or playing casually. The flip side to that is if you make it so that the simulated server down only repops bosses then what your asking for is not at all classic and you lose the basis of your argument to make things more like classic. I am not in a guild that is getting Boss mobs, but we can and have had opportunities to compete. Variance DOES allow it to be competitive but competition is stiff when the server has 4 times as many raid capable people that there were during this era on live (ballpark figure). Personally I would rather that they focused on Kunark rather then a solution to a problem that will most likely be fixing itself in the near future. And if it doesn't fix the problem they can look into a solution when they dont have so much on their plate like they do now.

my two cents anyways. Flame on

You are wrong on many points. The only reason I included "announced simulated patch days" was because it has been brought up by other people. Your last paragraph(well really, the whole thing) is so filled with flaws I don't even know where to begin.

[Cars]

lol well feel free to educate me, I definitely had a quote fail moment so you could always start there.

[President]

Originally Posted by Cars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you announce the timeframe absolutely nothing will change. The only difference would be IB and DA would get almost double the loot. On simulated server downs maybe 1 seperate guild would get a boss target well IB and DA both split their raid forces to 2 seperate targets and downed both of them. The only time a seperate guild would get a single target would be if IB and DA camped a team each at the same spawn leaving one boss open. But when they repopped without any variance the guilds would be there again, this time not missing a single boss.

There are 5 major targets and 2 mini bosses that would respawn. It would be difficult for IB/DA to lock down both. Would both guilds get more loot than they are right now? Yes, but it's not far from classic. As Nilbog stated there were days where the server was taken down multiple times, I definitely remember weeks that had 2-3 patch/hardware maint days. Sure, DA/IB might be able to split up forces and cover more than 1 boss each right off the start, but its still a race to the rest. And still better than what we have now. I would rather IB/DA spend 3 hours poopsocking than 48 hours with a known respawn time that at least gives some of us a chance to race. Though, I would definitely be more for an unknown time.

Although their should be more god loot in the game by this point and even though in classic they had server downs that refreshed mobs..it just wouldnt fix the issues we have here like everyone seems to think, or rather not to the extent that everyone would hope.

Yes, actually, it would. Being able to poopsock each mob in its window would be a thing of the past if all mobs spawn at once. Sure, they may be able to sock one of the 5 that spawn, but not each of the 5 as they spawn.

This server has a WAY higher population of level 50 players then live did on classic on ANY server. Its a very simple issue of extremely big fish in an extremely small pond. Which is probably why the GMs look at this entire thread and shrug it off because they know the only answer to this problem is Kunark and thats why they are working so furiously on it.

Kunark is far from the only answer. This server has a higher population of 50's and far fewer raid spawns. As I stated earlier in the thread, its going to be quite a treat for guilds to attempt to get VP keys with Trak working as timers currently do. And, with Kunark, I assume they will institute the level 52 and less requirement for Naggy/Vox, effectively removing them from the target rotation for guilds that don't decide to have 15/20 level 52 alts sitting around. As it was back on the live, the spawn after patch happened during Kunark, which opened up racing even more. Now Trak/Inno/CT both require fighting to the boss before engaging (assuming you aren't poopsocking Trak or CT's spawn point).

If you didn't announce the simulated server repop then you would have entire dungeons popping on "the majority" of players well they are grinding or playing casually. The flip side to that is if you make it so that the simulated server down only repops bosses then what your asking for is not at all classic and you lose the basis of your argument to make things more like classic.

What I am asking for is to get as close to classic as possible. Do we wan't 6 hour down times every Tuesday? No. Do we want all the respawns to be at 4/5pm in the afternoon when Europe is going to bed? No, and there isn't a euro server. Will doing simulated patch days get us far closer to classic than what we have now and prevent poopsocking each mob as they spawn? Yes.

I am not in a guild that is getting Boss mobs, but we can and have had opportunities to compete. Variance DOES allow it to be competitive but competition is stiff when the server has 4 times as many raid capable people that there were during this era on live (ballpark figure). Personally I would rather that they focused on Kunark rather then a solution to a problem that will most likely be fixing itself in the near future. And if it doesn't fix the problem they can look into a solution when they dont have so much on their plate like they do now.

my two cents anyways. Flame on

Already commented on Kunark above. You must not have been playing here very long or you would know that the current solution does not allow it to be competitive, unless of course, being competitive is recruiting enough people to be able to sit 15+ people on top of a spawn for 48 hours.

And, to add it in again, the one time this did happen, DA & IB got all but 1 target. Assuming that something like this is a hand out to all the up and coming guilds is ridiculous. If DA & IB are as good as they say they are, they will continue to get the majority, if not all of the raid targets with simulated patch days. But at least, at least, we have a chance at them that doesn't require sitting on top of a spawn for 48 hours.