Spells: Bard Song Changes

[svarien]

I can't speak for pre-kunark because i didn't start playing a bard before then but i know there was no delay after kunark. I spent quite a bit of time in seb playing the role of enchanter more times than not. There is no way that would have been possible with a recast time on mez song or anything else.

[Abysis]

If you put 12 sec recast on all songs you might as well delete bards as a playable class.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Abysis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you put 12 sec recast on all songs you might as well delete bards as a playable class.

Originally Posted by To which I already said:

It would only impair the functionality of a few songs significantly (mez, charm in some cases, manasong, etc.)

It would affect our ability to CC and to pump mana efficiently. That's pretty much it. I'd be disappointed, sure, but I'd rather someone find evidence (even if it's just anecdotal) of how things used to be, instead of complaining about an outcome that makes my class marginally worse without even positing that it's an un-classic change.

If you really think it makes Bards unplayable though, I wonder if you'll put your money where your mouth is [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazortag]

I just scoured all of the patch history on alla from 1999-2005 and saw not one mention of Bard recast times being implemented or taken away. I'm not convinced that they ever existed, the evidence Uthgaard is using has been known to be a bit inaccurate regarding other things (as pointed out in some threads in the kunark bugs forums). The original poster can't provide any evidence other than what he remembers, yet others seem to remember differently. It would be good to get some more evidence from others in either direction still.

edit: if it is true that these recast timers were in place, how would that have affected Bards who just kept songs playing passively? Would the song stop and they'd have to recast, or would it simply recast 12 seconds later automatically?

[Lazortag]

The post you mention is from 2001.

Still I have an extremely hard time believing that this was in place for a significant amount of time, considering not one site on the internet mentions something so obviously crippling for a bard's ability to mez. What is the amount of time the devs plan to keep this in place? I'm okay with keeping it in place a short time and taking it out promptly after to be in line with classic, but since there's so little evidence of this actually existing, it's also difficult to find evidence of this being taken out, so what you're asking us to provide evidence for is impossible.

[cvinion]

heres 2001

http://web.archive.org/web/200104211...gs.asp?song=15

http://web.archive.org/web/200111212...gs.asp?song=29

http://web.archive.org/web/200106300...gs.asp?song=29

Not entirely 99 but still velious era.

From 2000, Kunark Era
http://web.archive.org/web/200012052...ns.asp?Id=1057

http://web.archive.org/web/200105051...asp?SpellID=17

http://web.archive.org/web/200203082...+Lullaby&type=

http://web.archive.org/web/200203082...e+Strike&type=

And the Coup de Grace to stop bards from getting nerfed.


Quoted from 2000 post


Actually, this song is very useful. Bards can mez almost as well as enchanters with this at higher levels. I group with a 51 bard often in Karnor, and she is our mezer, and can handle up to 3 mobs at a time. It is not meant to do any dmg or anything of that sorts. How often it resists depends on your charisma. Your charisma should be at least 150, if it isn't then you are one messed up bard and need to get that up. The three main things bards need are charisma, ac, and dex in that order.

If the song had a 12 second recast then there would be no way to keep 3 mobs mezzed with the song duration.


Please don't nerf bards.