Times like these...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why can't you people understand that the fact that people break laws isn't an argument against the concept of laws?

The pendulum goes both ways though. Airport security for example.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pendulum goes both ways though. Airport security for example.

I don't understand, you mean airport security goes too far? Maybe they do. They aren't great at catching people either.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand, you mean airport security goes too far? Maybe they do. They aren't great at catching people either.

That's the point.

Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the point.

Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

Sacrificing liberty for security is the basic founding principle of human civilization and the social contract. We sacrifice certain liberties for certain protections inherent in the social order of civilization. It's one of the underpinnings of the political philosophy of John Locke, upon which our system is based.

Believe it or not, Benjamin Franklin was talking about specific issues regarding taxation and sovereignty on the American frontier.

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Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sacrificing liberty for security is the basic founding principle of human civilization and the social contract. We sacrifice certain liberties for certain protections inherent in the social order of civilization. It's one of the underpinnings of the political philosophy of John Locke, upon which our system is based.

I'll agree with you with the stipulation that it must be done in moderation. There is no compensating for human fallacy/greed and the more liberties you sacrifice, the closer to a totalitarian state you become.

History has proven time and time again that there's a very clear line that gets passed that causes an irreversible death sentence to be passed upon a civilization, a death sentence that never takes longer than a century and often is complete in less than three decades.

The difference with modern society is that for every real liberty taken away a false liberty is "given" to the people and the VAST majority of them don't know the difference. It's insidious and subversive and it's the reality we live in.