FYI

karsten · #1 01-19-2011, 02:52 PM

yeah, i mean, if you want to take it to the extremes of equating killing the ac to killing hasten, you would also logically have to say that anyone who kills anything is griefing everyone else on the server due to their potentially also having been able to kill the mob, it gets silly

YendorLootmonkey · #2 01-19-2011, 06:50 PM

No, I was just making a weird point...

Before the MQ fix... you camped AC, got your ring, and moved on, because once you got your jboots, since you couldn't MQ the ring, there was no point in continuing to camp the AC. Unless you wanted to camp the AC and lock down the corpse and sell "loot rights", which is kind of douchebaggy if you ask me... do your quest and move the fuck on so someone else can do it.

Now, after the MQ fix for this particular quest, there's no reason to move on. You can "monopolize" content because now there is no limit to the number of AC rings you can get and sell the MQ rights for. Instead of getting yours and moving the fuck on so someone else can get theirs, you deprive other people of that content in order to sell that content back to them at a reasonable rate of return for your time. Let the record show that BadMartigan originally stated:

"Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock"

and then backed down to:

"I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot."

So there's at least 1 ring a day that should be going to someone else who would like to camp it, that it will not go to because now that the ring is MQ-able, he's right back at it instead of moving on.

So why can't someone sell him "the ability to MQ the ring" for a "fee" of 4-5K by permitting Hadden to live long enough for him and the client to do the MQ? I mean, it's all about playing the game however you want, right? Why would that be griefing? Hadden needs to die for BZ to spawn, so it's not like Hadden should be deemed "unkillable". He yields XP. He probably has some cloth cap and gold pieces for loot. It would be just as enterprising for someone to do that as it is enterprising for someone with the available time to camp the AC on a daily basis.

The argument might be that it's not depriving anyone of content, since he offers it up for sale. Tell that to a melee class that can't generate plat as easily as a caster, not to mention the melee has to spend huge amounts of plat to even be effective, when instead they could just camp the AC themselves. Except they can't because everyone who should have moved on after they got their ring is back there selling MQ rights.

Or maybe the argument is that he's providing a service to those who do not have the time to camp the AC themselves. But isn't that the meat of the entire casual player vs. hardcore argument? That the casual player needs to put in the time in order to get the same loot as the hardcore player? Or is it merely that the casual player needs to put in the time to get the same loot as the hardcore player, or just have enough plat to purchase said loot off of the hardcore player?

So what's the difference between a AC ring MQ'er depriving others of content for a fee, and someone charging that AC ring MQ'er a fee to not deprive them of the opportunity to turn the shit in with Hasten?

Badmartigan · #3 01-20-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I was just making a weird point...

Before the MQ fix... you camped AC, got your ring, and moved on, because once you got your jboots, since you couldn't MQ the ring, there was no point in continuing to camp the AC. Unless you wanted to camp the AC and lock down the corpse and sell "loot rights", which is kind of douchebaggy if you ask me... do your quest and move the fuck on so someone else can do it.

Now, after the MQ fix for this particular quest, there's no reason to move on. You can "monopolize" content because now there is no limit to the number of AC rings you can get and sell the MQ rights for. Instead of getting yours and moving the fuck on so someone else can get theirs, you deprive other people of that content in order to sell that content back to them at a reasonable rate of return for your time. Let the record show that BadMartigan originally stated:

"Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock"

and then backed down to:

"I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot."

S

I didnt think i would have to state the obvious dude... go ahead and pick at my minor discrepancy.. but obviously 1 person cannot camp 2 spawns around the clock on an item thats lore..

Whats your point here ? It's sad that i had to even point out that 1 person cannot "camp the ac around the clock" this was a statement to encourage people to send me tells to buy a MQ..

geez.. im getting off this thread now.. you people need to get a hobby other than messageboard nitpicking... damn

Seaweedpimp · #4 01-20-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I was just making a weird point...

Before the MQ fix... you camped AC, got your ring, and moved on, because once you got your jboots, since you couldn't MQ the ring, there was no point in continuing to camp the AC. Unless you wanted to camp the AC and lock down the corpse and sell "loot rights", which is kind of douchebaggy if you ask me... do your quest and move the fuck on so someone else can do it.

Now, after the MQ fix for this particular quest, there's no reason to move on. You can "monopolize" content because now there is no limit to the number of AC rings you can get and sell the MQ rights for. Instead of getting yours and moving the fuck on so someone else can get theirs, you deprive other people of that content in order to sell that content back to them at a reasonable rate of return for your time. Let the record show that BadMartigan originally stated:

"Btw if anyone is i'n need of jboots mq I do about 1mq a day.. I camp the ring around the clock"

and then backed down to:

"I'm not monopolizing content.. There's 2 ac spawns and I can only loot 1 ring.. I also raid full time ^^so it's open alot."

So there's at least 1 ring a day that should be going to someone else who would like to camp it, that it will not go to because now that the ring is MQ-able, he's right back at it instead of moving on.

So why can't someone sell him "the ability to MQ the ring" for a "fee" of 4-5K by permitting Hadden to live long enough for him and the client to do the MQ? I mean, it's all about playing the game however you want, right? Why would that be griefing? Hadden needs to die for BZ to spawn, so it's not like Hadden should be deemed "unkillable". He yields XP. He probably has some cloth cap and gold pieces for loot. It would be just as enterprising for someone to do that as it is enterprising for someone with the available time to camp the AC on a daily basis.

The argument might be that it's not depriving anyone of content, since he offers it up for sale. Tell that to a melee class that can't generate plat as easily as a caster, not to mention the melee has to spend huge amounts of plat to even be effective, when instead they could just camp the AC themselves. Except they can't because everyone who should have moved on after they got their ring is back there selling MQ rights.

Or maybe the argument is that he's providing a service to those who do not have the time to camp the AC themselves. But isn't that the meat of the entire casual player vs. hardcore argument? That the casual player needs to put in the time in order to get the same loot as the hardcore player? Or is it merely that the casual player needs to put in the time to get the same loot as the hardcore player, or just have enough plat to purchase said loot off of the hardcore player?

So what's the difference between a AC ring MQ'er depriving others of content for a fee, and someone charging that AC ring MQ'er a fee to not deprive them of the opportunity to turn the shit in with Hasten?

Badmartigan > you

PS: This is as rediculous as it gets.

YendorLootmonkey · #5 01-20-2011, 06:54 PM

I'm a ranger, like I'm really gonna get more than 3 swings in before Hasten smears me all over Rathe Mountains.

I'm just saying -- and I'm sorry for picking on BadMartigan, he was just a convenient target for proudly claiming he camps AC for MQ rights sales round the clock -- if AC MQ'ers can make their money by locking down the AC camp after they should have moved on, or Pegasus Cloak farmers can make their money locking down Quillmane corpses, why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten? Sounds a bit Abacab-ish, I know. But more than anything, I was just curious how that one is different than the others. Or different than the same solo caster or two continuously handing off and farming the shit out of the FBSS to make plat and having it locked down out of the rest of the server's grasp for the majority of the time?

Badmartigan · #6 01-20-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a ranger, like I'm really gonna get more than 3 swings in before Hasten smears me all over Rathe Mountains.

I'm just saying -- and I'm sorry for picking on BadMartigan, he was just a convenient target for proudly claiming he camps AC for MQ rights sales round the clock -- if AC MQ'ers can make their money by locking down the AC camp after they should have moved on, or Pegasus Cloak farmers can make their money locking down Quillmane corpses, why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten? Sounds a bit Abacab-ish, I know. But more than anything, I was just curious how that one is different than the others. Or different than the same solo caster or two continuously handing off and farming the shit out of the FBSS to make plat and having it locked down out of the rest of the server's grasp for the majority of the time?

You answered your own question.. Igs "abacabbish"...it's classless,tasteless, and serves no purpose other than to punish one user.. If I have the ac camped.. I have a list.. I give the spawn up.. I go sell ring.. Then I come back and wait my turn to camp it again..

eriamjh · #7 01-23-2011, 05:42 PM

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You answered your own question.. Igs "abacabbish"...it's classless,tasteless, and serves no purpose other than to punish one user.. If I have the ac camped.. I have a list.. I give the spawn up.. I go sell ring.. Then I come back and wait my turn to camp it again..

This is so silly.. You move straight from the false premise that there is nothing wrong with a one man half monopoly to talking about how much more classy it is to camp and sell or destroy a rare, no drop item you can't use than to kill a rare spawn NPC you can't quest with.

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It's like.. The ring was made no drop in the first place for a reason and it probably had a lot to do with discouraging this exact kind of behavior.

Harrison · #8 01-23-2011, 06:23 PM

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This is so silly.. You move straight from the false premise that there is nothing wrong with a one man half monopoly to talking about how much more classy it is to camp and sell or destroy a rare, no drop item you can't use than to kill a rare spawn NPC you can't quest with.

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It's like.. The ring was made no drop in the first place for a reason and it probably had a lot to do with discouraging this exact kind of behavior.

That was the exact purpose of making things nodrop.

Exploiting the bug in mechanics that allowed people to multiquest is getting around that.

Alawen Everywhere · #9 01-21-2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a ranger, like I'm really gonna get more than 3 swings in before Hasten smears me all over Rathe Mountains.

I'm just saying -- and I'm sorry for picking on BadMartigan, he was just a convenient target for proudly claiming he camps AC for MQ rights sales round the clock -- if AC MQ'ers can make their money by locking down the AC camp after they should have moved on, or Pegasus Cloak farmers can make their money locking down Quillmane corpses, why can't someone, in turn, make money off the AC MQ'ers by locking down Hasten? Sounds a bit Abacab-ish, I know. But more than anything, I was just curious how that one is different than the others. Or different than the same solo caster or two continuously handing off and farming the shit out of the FBSS to make plat and having it locked down out of the rest of the server's grasp for the majority of the time?

Root. Snare. Arrows. L2P.

YendorLootmonkey · #10 01-21-2011, 12:35 AM

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Root. Snare. Arrows. L2P.

I don't have the patience for that... Jesus Christ. I did that for 15 minutes arrow-kiting GrimFeather around back when I was level 32 while I had to shit so bad it felt like it was trying to come out sideways.