The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as stated by your own guild. BDA got their FTEs while trying to split iki and the train. Meaning they took responsibility of the train by attempting to pull out of it. How can you sit there and say it was takens train even though your pullers were running it around trying to split out iki as well?

Remove BDA from the equation, the same thing would have happened.

150 people were past that door and were wiped by your train. It wasn't just forsaken as rampage and asgard were also killed by your pull.

You mean your mage's pull? FTE is all that matters, and your mage had it.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove BDA from the equation, the same thing would have happened.



You mean your mage's pull? FTE is all that matters, and your mage had it.

chest aggroing iki to try and pull him out of the train constitutes a pull. That train pathing back and agroing people and sending out a new FTE message is not a pull and does not somehow give responsibility for that train to elament. Look up the raiding rules yourself, its quite clear about what constitutes a train I believe.

Taken has already apologized for the training, so remove BDA from the equation and there wouldn't even be a problem. Add BDA and their constant deflection as opposed to just being adults and you have a RNF post.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

chest aggroing iki to try and pull him out of the train constitutes a pull. That train pathing back and agroing people and sending out a new FTE message is not a pull and does not somehow give responsibility for that train to elament. Look up the raiding rules yourself, its quite clear about what constitutes a train I believe.

Taken has already apologized for the training, so remove BDA from the equation and there wouldn't even be a problem. Add BDA and their constant deflection as opposed to just being adults and you have a RNF post.

You must be new to the raid scene, FTE is FTE regardless if its obtained by a monk, an SK, a bard, or, in this case, a mage. It was a pull because your mage brought a mob he FTE'd back to your camp. It is not BDA's responsibility to make sure your FTE's and engages do not contain adds and that the mob arrives in camp when your raid is ready to engage. Blame your pullers.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must be new to the raid scene, FTE is FTE regardless if its obtained by a monk, an SK, a bard, or, in this case, a mage. It was a pull because your mage brought a mob he FTE'd back to your camp. It is not BDA's responsibility to make sure your FTE's and engages do not contain adds and that the mob arrives in camp when your raid is ready to engage. Blame your pullers.

LOL really? So I could say pull vindi past your raid in kael, FD and then when Vindi agros your raid and sends out a new FTE its now your fault? Good to finally understand the uneducated rules BDA lives by I guess. Have fun raiding now that your entire guild seems to think its ok to train a raid as long as you can drop threat before they get proximity agro....

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL really? So I could say pull vindi past your raid in kael, FD and then when Vindi agros your raid and sends out a new FTE its now your fault? Good to finally understand the uneducated rules BDA lives by I guess. Have fun raiding now that your entire guild seems to think its ok to train a raid as long as you can drop threat before they get proximity agro....

You could try, but our members get DKP for not standing in traffic.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL really? So I could say pull vindi past your raid in kael, FD and then when Vindi agros your raid and sends out a new FTE its now your fault? Good to finally understand the uneducated rules BDA lives by I guess. Have fun raiding now that your entire guild seems to think its ok to train a raid as long as you can drop threat before they get proximity agro....

No, because where we engage Vindi in Kael it's impossible for him to aggro our raid unless you did it intentionally.

This is why sitting a raid in the middle of fucking NToV entrance is not a good camp spot. You just open yourself up to get trained if anyone is attempting Eashen (or Ikitar if you have a dumb mage not in the cubby).

Like was said, Detoxx does it just to be a pest for other guilds trying to attempt raid targets so he can call foul. He demands concede at the drop of a hat.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, because where we engage Vindi in Kael it's impossible for him to aggro our raid unless you did it intentionally.

This is why sitting a raid in the middle of fucking NToV entrance is not a good camp spot. You just open yourself up to get trained if anyone is attempting Eashen (or Ikitar if you have a dumb mage not in the cubby).

Like was said, Detoxx does it just to be a pest for other guilds trying to attempt raid targets so he can call foul. He demands concede at the drop of a hat.

He's been doing this for years.