Serious discussion about Charisma after Charm Nerf

[excalis]

I had an Chanter and even with the nerfs on live was very successful with it soloing with charm. I used all of my abilities with nothing geared toward CHA and rocked it.

CHA to me was worthless and just focused on INT, STA. The only main thing I did not like was that you were unable to charm a PC when dueling after a charm change. I soloed my Chanter and most of it was using charm, then the better native pets with AA bouncing between the two depending on the situation.

I did have some good charm breaks that resulted in deaths but once I learned how to use what I had I hardly died, if I did it was my fault for not following my tactics correctly. Research is key, mob HP, resistance, level, etc all fall into place when charming and if they are worth using. Charm to me was just a random deal like invis, just have to be prepared for it when it breaks.

I remember when they nerfed charm and folks were complaining about it, I just said F"it and kept on trucking and proved chanters could solo well. I also used to charm mobs that could not be mezzed as a form of CC, course you can only have one mob at a time charmed but could use it to help DPS, etc. I recall once when raiding Vindi we had an add which I picked up and used to finish off the encounter.

Druid and Chanter combo was awesome when charming using their snare.

I am tempted to drop my necro I am working on and make another chanter, but wanted to try something new this time around. Good luck!

[vageta31]

I think chanters are just going to have to adapt their strategies and use charm differently. They've been spoiled into just finding the best mob to charm, then keep it as a pet as long as the group wanted. Now they will have to use charm I think more of the way it was intended, as a way to pull an additional mob out of a fight temporarily. You borrow it's DPS and let it tank so that when charm breaks (intentionally or unintentionally) it is already low on hps and ready for killing.

In this way charm is still great, just not meant for keeping a pet long term. With this method at least you're taking a mob out of the fight and getting extra dps and letting other mobs take down it's hps.

[excalis]

In groups i would keep a good pet and just have druid snare it and heal it. PoD had some worm type mobs I used to use and we were successful keeping the same mob. When soloing I would let my charmed mob get a certain level in HP then finish it off by breaking charm, or charming another mob and using it to kill my former pet.

Rune, distance, root, stuns, all helped. Ahhh the memories...