If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[vincin]

If you were God what would you do?

[boboo]

Originally Posted by vincin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were God what would you do?

Patrick Stewart explains what i would do:

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[chtulu]

What I don't get why some people here claim to be Christan or religious and follow a certain church, but yet admit that they hardly follow any of the doctrine or scripture. If you're going to be that liberal and cherry pick what you like in the Bible, Koran, etc, then why label yourself at all? These books and religions clearly state you must follow their rules and philosophies or you will burn in eternal damnation.

My real question is WHY believe in ANY God? Why choose to be satisfied with fairy tales to explain natural phenomenons that are already explained by science? Science shows us that the universe is much for vast than what any God explains to us. It also has shown us how vastly more complex life on earth is than just saying it was randomly put here by some egotistical being who just wants to be worshiped by lesser beings.

Another point I'd like to make is even if there WAS a god, look at all the horrible things that has happened to this world that he has allowed to happen. Look at utterly incompetent he is with his "work". I'm sure no one has cared to realize that over 90% of life that has even been on earth is now extinct. If there was a great and all knowing God, why would he have created entire, just to have it destroyed and wiped away forever? Either he is an Incompetent God, or he is an Evil God, that enjoys suffering and annihilation.

I'd suggest watching "God on Trial". It's a very well done piece of work that judges God by his actions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4i6tRGw7Q

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't get why some people here claim to be Christan or religious and follow a certain church, but yet admit that they hardly follow any of the doctrine or scripture. If you're going to be that liberal and cherry pick what you like in the Bible, Koran, etc, then why label yourself at all? These books and religions clearly state you must follow their rules and philosophies or you will burn in eternal damnation.

My real question is WHY believe in ANY God? Why choose to be satisfied with fairy tales to explain natural phenomenons that are already explained by science? Science shows us that the universe is much for vast than what any God explains to us. It also has shown us how vastly more complex life on earth is than just saying it was randomly put here by some egotistical being who just wants to be worshiped by lesser beings.

Another point I'd like to make is even if there WAS a god, look at all the horrible things that has happened to this world that he has allowed to happen. Look at utterly incompetent he is with his "work". I'm sure no one has cared to realize that over 90% of life that has even been on earth is now extinct. If there was a great and all knowing God, why would he have created entire, just to have it destroyed and wiped away forever? Either he is an Incompetent God, or he is an Evil God, that enjoys suffering and annihilation.

I'd suggest watching "God on Trial". It's a very well done piece of work that judges God by his actions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4i6tRGw7Q

What's amazing here is that the loud atheist is the most closed-minded person in an argument about religion.

I'm going to repeat myself once more and then relegate you to the "not so bright" pile.

Religion is not about dogma, literal interpretations of sacred texts and nitpicking for most of the religious. It's about socializing and community. People go to church to be part of something larger than themselves. They go to church because they get something from the traditions, or the companionship, or the gospel choir, or a million other reasons that are not the written mythology of their cult.

Most people just believe in some sort of vaguely defined force of good in the universe--some kind of embodiment of mercy, kindness, justice and other idealized virtues. No one really thinks there is a robed sky god sitting on a golden throne in the clouds.

Mostly, they want to not feel alone and afraid. They want to have an idea of why they're here and what they're supposed to do while they're here. Most religions espouse a belief of trying to be a good person while they're alive.

Do you really have a huge issue with that? I think your mom made you go to church and you're kind of pissed off about it. I'd say try to get over it. Live and let live.

Pray with me.

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, pardon.
Where there is doubt, faith.
Where there is despair, hope.
Where there is darkness, light.
Where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Now was that so bad?

[chtulu]

Religion only cheapens our existence here. It literally devalues our lives by saying there is something greater after this. I find that tragic and believe that we should love this life more than anything because it's the only one we get.

Also, your argument about church being about community can be used to rationalize why the KKK exists. Sure, they teach hate, intolerance, and above all, teach that they are the superior ones, while everyone else are lesser beings; but hey, if it brings a community together, than it MUST be healthy and good for society, right?

[boboo]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion only cheapens our existence here. It literally devalues our lives by saying there is something greater after this. I find that tragic and believe that we should love this life more than anything because it's the only one we get.

Also, your argument about church being about community can be used to rationalize why the KKK exists. Sure, they teach hate, intolerance, and above all, teach that they are the superior ones, while everyone else are lesser beings; but hey, if it brings a community together, than it MUST be healthy and good for society, right?

Cthulu im an atheist, but it doesnt mean im right. Its a belief, just like any other. Saying "because its the only one we get" as if its law is rather presumptuous. I agree its the only life we get, and the videos youve linked about atheism I am in accord with. But im only 99.99% sure that when I die its over. There is absolutely no way for me to be sure until i check out of here. For you to say "because its the only one we get" as if its self-evident truth makes you sound like a dogmatic religious person, which you are railing against.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cthulu im an atheist, but it doesnt mean im right. Its a belief, just like any other. Saying "because its the only one we get" as if its law is rather presumptuous. I agree its the only life we get, and the videos youve linked about atheism I am in accord with. But im only 99.99% sure that when I die its over. There is absolutely no way for me to be sure until i check out of here. For you to say "because its the only one we get" as if its self-evident truth makes you sound like a dogmatic religious person, which you are railing against.

it's not about being right, it's about the fact that religion is used to pass laws, to sway civil right changes, and over all control Government legislation. I have a problem with religion because it perpetuates ignorance and it insults our intelligence and tries to destroy our need to explain WHY things exist they way they are by simply saying that a GOD did everything.

I would be 100% fine with people believing in God if it try to corrode science with Sunday schools and people using religion to try to say evolution doesn't exist, or that stem cell shouldn't be used because it violates their imaginary friend's law and when corrupt leaders get tax exemptions and profit off the meek because they lead a religion. When things like this occur, it is time to put a stop to religion as a protected entity.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion only cheapens our existence here. It literally devalues our lives by saying there is something greater after this. I find that tragic and believe that we should love this life more than anything because it's the only one we get.

I laughed so hard when I read this. You say this then you spend your life playing a video game which, by the way, you are not only horrible at, but you have managed to convince multiple guilds of your incompetence in a few weeks time.

Threads like these are such a waste of time.

The bottom line on the matter is that there is an anthropologically universal truth amongst all human beings to ask questions about our reality which are not answerable by the empirical data around us in. No matter what you call it the basic pull for humans to ask questions---and seek answers---is as much a part of the human experience as having a thumb or a kidney. Why some people are afraid/angry/upset/etc. that some of us actively embrace this part of our humanity in our day to day lives confuses me.

I understand the objection that some ppl have is towards "organized religions" and not towards people of faith in particular, but as I read this thread I see many ppl who just seem out right ANGRY that other ppl live faith-based lives. I'm not sure what the psycho-religious term is to describe that type of anger, but it is analogous to the type of personality that doesn't like to see anyone around him be happy because he harbors some deep bitter resentment.

What is it to you if I talk to my (as you call it) "imaginary friend" every day before eating a meal or doing something important? Sounds like pure bitterness on your part that other people have found a way to live good, bountiful, and satisfying lives while you struggle to get out of your own problems.

[chtulu]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laughed so hard when I read this. You say this then you spend your life playing a video game which, by the way, you are not only horrible at, but you have managed to convince multiple guilds of your incompetence in a few weeks time.

Threads like these are such a waste of time.

The bottom line on the matter is that there is an anthropologically universal truth amongst all human beings to ask questions about our reality which are not answerable by the empirical data around us in. No matter what you call it the basic pull for humans to ask questions---and seek answers---is as much a part of the human experience as having a thumb or a kidney. Why some people are afraid/angry/upset/etc. that some of us actively embrace this part of our humanity in our day to day lives confuses me.

I understand the objection that some ppl have is towards "organized religions" and not towards people of faith in particular, but as I read this thread I see many ppl who just seem out right ANGRY that other ppl live faith-based lives. I'm not sure what the psycho-religious term is to describe that type of anger, but it is analogous to the type of personality that doesn't like to see anyone around him be happy because he harbors some deep bitter resentment.

What is it to you if I talk to my (as you call it) "imaginary friend" every day before eating a meal or doing something important? Sounds like pure bitterness on your part that other people have found a way to live good, bountiful, and satisfying lives while you struggle to get out of your own problems.

ad hominems are all i see in this post.

How arrogant to say that because you believe in some flying man beard that you some how live a more wholesome, fulfilling life than I do.

[boboo]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I laughed so hard when I read this. You say this then you spend your life playing a video game which, by the way, you are not only horrible at, but you have managed to convince multiple guilds of your incompetence in a few weeks time.

Threads like these are such a waste of time.

The bottom line on the matter is that there is an anthropologically universal truth amongst all human beings to ask questions about our reality which are not answerable by the empirical data around us in. No matter what you call it the basic pull for humans to ask questions---and seek answers---is as much a part of the human experience as having a thumb or a kidney. Why some people are afraid/angry/upset/etc. that some of us actively embrace this part of our humanity in our day to day lives confuses me.

I understand the objection that some ppl have is towards "organized religions" and not towards people of faith in particular, but as I read this thread I see many ppl who just seem out right ANGRY that other ppl live faith-based lives. I'm not sure what the psycho-religious term is to describe that type of anger, but it is analogous to the type of personality that doesn't like to see anyone around him be happy because he harbors some deep bitter resentment.

What is it to you if I talk to my (as you call it) "imaginary friend" every day before eating a meal or doing something important? Sounds like pure bitterness on your part that other people have found a way to live good, bountiful, and satisfying lives while you struggle to get out of your own problems.

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