If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by Chanus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, the logical extension that everyone who died before Jesus was born (and therefore could not accept his divinity) is in Hell is just stupid.

No one said that. If you recall that the Old Testament was pre Jesus, and it didn't say they all went to Hell, if you'll remember some were even called to Heaven without dying, and got to ride up in a Chariot of Fire...

There was still God then, there was just a different form of communicating. See, there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. It's been that way from the beginning, so people gave of their best, and sacrificed it, whether it was their best lamb, their best goat, whatever they had. They gave their best, but when Jesus came, He didn't eliminate the sacrifice, he just paid the ultimate sacrifice so no more blood was to be shed.

So I don't know why anyone would say this, or believe this, I agree that's just stupid.

[boboo]

2 points in my life where I stopped beleiving in god.

First time: I was about 10 years old, and killing bees by whamming my 2 hands together like HAHA i win stupid bee, whos stinging me now? That was as a revenge for getting stung earlier in my young life. My school principal was called Father Legault (a catholic). Feeling subconsciously guilty, i asked him if bees went to heaven. He tells me no. I ask him why. He snaps... THEY JUST DONT!! Thats when my faith in god took a large nose dive. If the school principal of the school where the choirboys of the biggest church in Canada learned to sing didnt know why bees didnt go to heaven, that was a bit fucked up i thought.

Look at how big it is, JUST LOOK AT IT:

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The final nail in the coffin: Wasnt religious to begin with, but im bored babysitting at 15, and theres a bible hanging around in the bookcase. I open it at a random spot. Genesis. There i read that the egyptians decided to not pursue the jews into the desert. But to make a point, god controls their mind like some evil cartoon villain and he leads them toward the desert, THEN DROWNS THEM ALL BY SLAMMING BOTH SIDES OF A SEA ON THEM. What a beautiful heart warming story i thought. That sealed the deal of my faith in a biblical god.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The final nail in the coffin: Wasnt religious to begin with, but im bored babysitting at 15, and theres a bible hanging around in the bookcase. I open it at a random spot. Genesis. There i read that the egyptians decided to not pursue the jews into the desert. But to make a point, god controls their mind like some evil cartoon villain and he leads them toward the desert, THEN DROWNS THEM ALL BY SLAMMING BOTH SIDES OF A SEA ON THEM. What a beautiful heart warming story i thought. That sealed the deal of my faith in a biblical god.

Dude, Old Testament God is a baller. He did a lot of smiting in those days.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one said that. If you recall that the Old Testament was pre Jesus, and it didn't say they all went to Hell, if you'll remember some were even called to Heaven without dying, and got to ride up in a Chariot of Fire...

There was still God then, there was just a different form of communicating. See, there is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. It's been that way from the beginning, so people gave of their best, and sacrificed it, whether it was their best lamb, their best goat, whatever they had. They gave their best, but when Jesus came, He didn't eliminate the sacrifice, he just paid the ultimate sacrifice so no more blood was to be shed.

So I don't know why anyone would say this, or believe this, I agree that's just stupid.

Yeah, that would be dumb! Clearly those Old Testament people just had to ritually slaughter some cattle and then they could go to heaven!

[chtulu]

What people are not understanding is that religion itself is a handicap on people's perspective of the world as well as their ability to "think outside the bun(had to since fourthmeal isn't ringing in this thread).".

Look at the U.S. We can't used government funding for stem cell research. We also give churches tax exemptions, even though their hands are so far up all politicians back, i could swear I was watching a horrible Jeff Dunham special.

My personal opinion is that I don't care if people believe in God(s). I care that this country allows religion, in general, to influence our laws and the way we progress in the scientific community as well as how we dictate civil rights. How many people could we have saved if we started stem cell research in full force 10 years ago from Alzheimer and Parkinson's as well as many other diseases?

The belief in a god is fine when it's confined to one's personal domain, but when it starts affecting others directly; I feel that it's a important line, crossed.

[Uberom]

Originally Posted by chtulu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many people could we have saved if we started stem cell research in full force 10 years ago from Alzheimer and Parkinson's as well as many other diseases?

You're making the mistake of assuming that the people who make the important decisions in this world actually have that agenda. Stated fact: the money wants global depopulation.