If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[boboo]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, the problem I see there, is God isn't choosing to send you to Hell. He's given you the ability to make your own decisions, and if you choose by your actions that you're going to Hell that's up to you. It's not like He's trying to trick you or He wants you to fail. God isn't some kid in the Cosmos just waiting to zap you with His wand every time you screw up.

God also didn't make us robots who are all going to just conform to loving Him because He made us to do so, where would the satisfaction be in that?

So, it's not really God sending you there, He made the rules easy to find, and they're really not outlandish, it's just some people have a problem with authority I think. But God doesn't want to be separated from you, not at all, I can assure you of that. But He also can't have any part with sin. He couldn't even look on His own son when He took on the sins of the world and was crucified.

That's where the "fire and brimstone" guys give the wrong impression I think.

But still god could choose not to send me to hell could he not? Prevent me from burning and suffering for eternity, because he loves me? How can he send me there if he truly loves me?

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But still god could choose not to send me to hell could he not? Prevent me from burning and suffering for eternity, because he loves me? How can he send me there if he truly loves me?

There is a thing called dispensation of grace, which isn't really defined, and that's why some people believe that once they are "Saved" they are always "saved" and then allowed to do whatever they please.

But if you want to simplify, have you ever been in love? Like crazy high school days in love? Then had that girl/guy just totally crush you and break your heart, and they come to you begging for forgiveness over and over again, you forgive them, and take them back over and over again. What happens if they never ask you to forgive them, do you choose for them to not be with you anymore, or did they make that choice by never asking for your forgiveness and for you to take them back?

Just because you love someone, doesn't mean you can force them to do something they don't want to do. They make the choice to separate themselves from you, not you from them.

[boboo]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a thing called dispensation of grace, which isn't really defined, and that's why some people believe that once they are "Saved" they are always "saved" and then allowed to do whatever they please.

But if you want to simplify, have you ever been in love? Like crazy high school days in love? Then had that girl/guy just totally crush you and break your heart, and they come to you begging for forgiveness over and over again, you forgive them, and take them back over and over again. What happens if they never ask you to forgive them, do you choose for them to not be with you anymore, or did they make that choice by never asking for your forgiveness and for you to take them back?

Just because you love someone, doesn't mean you can force them to do something they don't want to do. They make the choice to separate themselves from you, not you from them.

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

God has no control over whether you spend your life responding in RnF, Boboo. That answer your question?

[boboo]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God has no control over whether you spend your life responding in RnF, Boboo. That answer your question?

No

[Chanus]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

Does the criminal decide to go to jail or does the law decide to punish the criminal?

If the rules are there and you don't follow them, whose fault are the consequences?

[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wait, god has no control over if I get sent to hell or not? Is that what youre saying? Do not evade the question, is the decision to send people to hell is made by god himself or it happens outside of his control? Im not talking about the decisions that would lead me to go to hell, which are mine, but the final decision, when the hammer falls, its god's or not?

The decision is yours and yours alone. God doesn't CHOOSE to send you to Hell. You by YOUR actions, and YOUR choices send yourself there.

Ezekiel 18:23
Ezekiel 33:11
2 Peter 3:9

God is Sovereign, He made the rules, He, being God, must abide by the rules that God himself set in place. He's not choosing for you to go to Hell, It's not His desire for you to go to Hell. It's like a Mom or Dad saying, no, don't do this, or you're going to go to timeout, if you do it, you go to timeout.

You're trying to make this about God choosing to send you to Hell, and no, He never wanted that. But if you choose that path, He's not going to just be like, oh okay, just kidding you can go to Heaven.

[boboo]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're trying to make this about God choosing to send you to Hell, and no, He never wanted that. But if you choose that path, He's not going to just be like, oh okay, just kidding you can go to Heaven.

Then you beleive the ultimate decision lies with god, wether or not he will condemn me to eternal suffering. Which to me, is absurd to the highest level. A loving god doesnt condemn people to eternal suffering because they do not beleive in god. Thats a god of hate and evil. Thats why i think christianity and other religions are bullshit. So without further ado, i dedicate this dayglo abortions song to God.

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[RocketMoose]

Originally Posted by boboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you beleive the ultimate decision lies with god, wether or not he will condemn me to eternal suffering. Which to me, is absurd to the highest level. A loving god doesnt condemn people to eternal suffering because they do not beleive in god. Thats a god of hate and evil. Thats why i think christianity and other religions are bullshit. So without further ado, i dedicate this dayglo abortions song to God.

Right, it's God's fault that YOU chose not to abide by the rules, and he MUST hate you because it couldn't possibly be YOUR fault.

People like you, with your sense of entitlement are exactly what's wrong with MY generation. I'm not an old blue hair, in fact far from it, but I'm not so haughty and high minded that I'm just going to believe that everything I do is right, or everything I say is right, or anything that I want is right.

Do you not see how you're trying to twist it so it fits your view? You ignore the parts you want, and focus on the parts that would make it appear that you're right, even though if you were to take a step back, you'd realize just how wrong you were.

I dunno who did what to you, or if your Daddy didn't hug you enough as a kid or whatever, but quit looking for reason to be mad brew. I'm sure you're sitting there as if you've "won" the debate here, but it's just not true. I'm sad for you.

[boboo]

Originally Posted by RocketMoose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, it's God's fault that YOU chose not to abide by the rules, and he MUST hate you because it couldn't possibly be YOUR fault.

People like you, with your sense of entitlement are exactly what's wrong with MY generation. I'm not an old blue hair, in fact far from it, but I'm not so haughty and high minded that I'm just going to believe that everything I do is right, or everything I say is right, or anything that I want is right.

Do you not see how you're trying to twist it so it fits your view? You ignore the parts you want, and focus on the parts that would make it appear that you're right, even though if you were to take a step back, you'd realize just how wrong you were.

I dunno who did what to you, or if your Daddy didn't hug you enough as a kid or whatever, but quit looking for reason to be mad brew. I'm sure you're sitting there as if you've "won" the debate here, but it's just not true. I'm sad for you.

Thats cool, you can always piss on me from heaven when youre chilling with the white bearded dude in the sky, to alleviate my eternal suffering. Hes a male with white skin too right, like in the pictures?