Why should people roll on red? ATN: Swish

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you ever go to walmart just to make yourself feel better?

every week when i pick up the scrip at the walmart pharmacy, mah boy

[maskedmelon]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

[Tuljin]

New Red Server Please

[Sillyturtle]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

You know, in the time I've spent going over these forums and scouring it for information, I've run across your posts time and again and there's a recurring theme in them.

You have got to be one of the nicest, genuinely helpful and all around good personalities that reside here.

Thank you so much for posting. Because of this alone I may give Red a shot.

<3

[Tuljin]

I've been nothing but nice on Blue and I've been nothing but fucked by the sociopaths that play there. Now I'm not so nice anymore. Its sad really.

On Blue all you gotta do is be a "yes man" to the hegemony (aka kissing ass, fellating, however you wanna say it) and say funny things in Vent and you'll get real far. You don't even have to be good at the game.

Not only do you not have to be good at the game, you don't have to improve or step up your game. The server is full of assholes who can't play their way out of a 3-mob encounter and the class stigma exists because people wipe in KC regularly and won't even consider starting a group with a rez and an AOE mez. The attitude of the server over time has gone to complete and total shit. Even the "top raid guilds" are full of fucking terrible players.

Couple that with an incredibly stupid FRAPS and Lawyerquest culture, you have yourself a shitshow, friends.

Now, if you're terrible at EQ and unwilling to learn how to PvP, something tells me you won't last very long. Having the shit Blue attitude everyone has won't get you far at all, which is perhaps a major reason why the population has remained low.

I say launch new servers soon before 5 years of Velious and see who's suddenly willing to leave their precious pixels behind. Those who want to stay on a 6 year old inflated economy box just so they don't have to leave their (unused and unnecessary) Velious pixels behind can fucking stay. The server has gone so downhill its sad really.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Tuljin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been nothing but nice on Blue and I've been nothing but fucked by the sociopaths that play there. Now I'm not so nice anymore. Its sad really.

On Blue all you gotta do is be a "yes man" to the hegemony (aka kissing ass, fellating, however you wanna say it) and say funny things in Vent and you'll get real far. You don't even have to be good at the game.

Not only do you not have to be good at the game, you don't have to improve or step up your game. The server is full of assholes who can't play their way out of a 3-mob encounter and the class stigma exists because people wipe in KC regularly and won't even consider starting a group with a rez and an AOE mez. The attitude of the server over time has gone to complete and total shit. Even the "top raid guilds" are full of fucking terrible players.

Couple that with an incredibly stupid FRAPS and Lawyerquest culture, you have yourself a shitshow, friends.

Now, if you're terrible at EQ and unwilling to learn how to PvP, something tells me you won't last very long. Having the shit Blue attitude everyone has won't get you far at all, which is perhaps a major reason why the population has remained low.

I say launch new servers soon before 5 years of Velious and see who's suddenly willing to leave their precious pixels behind. Those who want to stay on a 6 year old inflated economy box just so they don't have to leave their (unused and unnecessary) Velious pixels behind can fucking stay. The server has gone so downhill its sad really.

Happens to a lot EQers, especially on a crowded server. For all the talk about how the games mechanics foster an environment of cooperation and reinforce community, there isn't much talk about how those same mechanics foster adversarial relationships just as easily.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Happens to a lot EQers, especially on a crowded server. For all the talk about how the games mechanics foster an environment of cooperation and reinforce community, there isn't much talk about how those same mechanics foster adversarial relationships just as easily.

Conflict is natural. The problem is the resolution thereof. Project 1999 does not have a paid CSR staff to deal with conflict resolution and modern players are too savvy to fall prey to the traditional community enforcement mechanism (ostracizing). EQ was mostly difficult because people didn't know what they were doing, now everyone knows so they don't care if you refuse to group with them. There is also no barrier to entry, so even if server staff intervene with a ban, they can return under a new guise to offend again.

Red99 at least affords players the opportunity to enforce accepted norms. Sure, the greater freedom does lead it to suffer somewhat from adverse selection, but the fraction of douchebags on red is no greater than that of blue. The rogues on red are just more open about their ambitions. And many of those perceived as rogues really just enjoy some good ol' competition. The number of people looking to grief random players on red is virtually nil.

If I have to deal with asshats I'd prefer to see them coming and have something I can do about them ^^

[Swish]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone should. It depends on what you are looking for ^^ I just rolled a character there out of curiosity stemming from all the advertising. I have not been much of amp per in my gaming career, so I am sure others will have different reasons to share, but these are my reasons for continuing to play there:

1. Classic Gameplay. Someone is bound to point out red has non-classic experience bonus in response to this point and that is true. However, gameplay itself is much closer to classic as a result of far less twinkling stemming from a less saturated economy and tremendous number of new players. You don't see individuals monopolizing entire xp camps like you do on blue. Classic items still have value. While some higher end items are still available like on blue they are less common and therefore more difficult to acquire. As a result the majority of people are in general less geared and able to make use of items that drop for them as they level.

2. Tighter community. Sure we have some colorful forum personalities and the server definitely has a few villains, but there are also heroes and most players in general are good decent people just like blue. The threat (small as it may be) presented by villains encourages people to band together. The XP bonus also disincentivizes all forms of class/gear/etc discrimination in XP groups. Most people on red

3. Decency. The inability of the community to enforce law and order on blue leads to the death of common sense/courtesy with the creation of more and more laws through which players begin to view the world. The mindset becomes "if there isn't a rule against it, it must be ok." The a look to staff is then inundated with dispute resolution requests. There are numerous threads applauding people on blue for doing the right thing, because rule lawyering has become the norm making such acts uncommon.

4. Time. I don't not have as much time to devote to digital worlds as I once did. Despite that, I'd cherished EQ's pace. For me it's not about the pace of progression, it's about the pace of gameplay. On red, the pace is slower (more classic) due to less twinks. It is more relaxed even when pushing things. However the bonus XP means progression is faster. In the end, you are able to experience more of the classic world in a classic context with less time invested. I suppose this is really only a benefit if you are very casual and/or older ^^

maskedmelon spreading the good word - excellent post <3

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