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[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a nutshell, do the needs/wants of the "Collective" Trump the liberties/Rights of the individual?

It isn't a yes or no question.

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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't a yes or no question.

Lol it's has a Yes or No result though

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Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol it's has a Yes or No result though

Would you care to expound upon that?

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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you care to expound upon that?

Didn't think it needed explaining but ok.

Think Rome particularly the coliseum, thumbs up, thumbs down.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch

both of you are still missing my point. Whether or not NN is good or bad or alittle of both it was just an example I used to represent government intrusion into an industry that I believe they have NO authority over. Once again if u don't like the content/download speeds/etc. switch providers or go without. Those ISP's that aren't providing what the consumer wants, will either go bankrupt or change their business practices. Free market principles. Oh noes I can't download porn fast enuff.

Is there a point to miss? Your posts are barely more than "government = bad."

You mentioned the US Constitution earlier, what about the Commerce Clause and the possibility for Congress to regulate certain utilities and Internet through that channel? Do you simply ignore that?

Is your entire argument and position merely philosophical in nature and the world would be better off with no government? At which point this whole discussion has been meaningless because it has no basis in modern day reality as to solve the issues we have been trying to discuss.

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't think it needed explaining but ok.

Think Rome particularly the coliseum, thumbs up, thumbs down.

So in your mind whether or not a gladiator fighting in The Coliseum provides a killing stroke (in a society that tolerated that particular behavior) provides a binary yes or no response to the question of whether or not the needs/wants of the many should ever trump an individual's liberty or freedom?

okay.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there a point to miss? Your posts are barely more than "government = bad."

You mentioned the US Constitution earlier, what about the Commerce Clause and the possibility for Congress to regulate certain utilities and Internet through that channel? Do you simply ignore that?

Is your entire argument and position merely philosophical in nature and the world would be better off with no government? At which point this whole discussion has been meaningless because it has no basis in modern day reality as to solve the issues we have been trying to discuss.



So in your mind whether or not a gladiator fighting in The Coliseum provides a killing stroke (in a society that tolerated that particular behavior) provides a binary yes or no response to the question of whether or not the needs/wants of the many should ever trump an individual's liberty or freedom?

okay.

Now I must litigate the commerce clause and how the government abuses it. Sorry "I neither the time nor inclination."

Time to kill dragons

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So in your mind whether or not a gladiator fighting in The Coliseum provides a killing stroke (in a society that tolerated that particular behavior) provides a binary yes or no response to the question of whether or not the needs/wants of the many should ever trump an individual's liberty or freedom?

okay.

Once again the "point" eludes you. The majority controls the minority, the gladiator is just A tool the masses (thumbs up/thumbs down) use to oppress the minority. Society doesn't tolerate that particular behavior, it encourages and embraces it. The nature of man.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again the "point" eludes you. The majority controls the minority, the gladiator is just A tool the masses (thumbs up/thumbs down) use to oppress the minority. Society doesn't tolerate that particular behavior, it encourages and embraces it. The nature of man.

Your points are elusive because you can barely form a coherent thought, much less a cohesive sentence that presents your position.

So have you moved your goal posts now to complain about the nature of man instead of government being bad? If you remove government what does that leave us with man vs man? Then you will really see a majority versus a minority.