Where's the fun in raiding?

[wormed]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I can add to this thread is that raids are fcuking boring. It's all zerging, raiding would be fun if it was skill oriented raids. Doing more with less. But raids are for the most part pretty shitty.

Yup. I enjoyed being apart of a guild that wasn't at the pinnacle of content but was killing stuff with less. Right now the amount of poopsocking is getting really shitty. I'd rather compete over an FTE with no variance than sit in one area for 10h playing on an alt I don't give a fuck about.

[ludovician]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I can add to this thread is that raids are fcuking boring. It's all zerging, raiding would be fun if it was skill oriented raids. Doing more with less. But raids are for the most part pretty shitty.

This.

I played another EQEmu server that had custom content, 14 tiers of raiding (100+ targets) and a maximum raid force of 18 people with fights that strategically were far beyond tank and spank.

From start to finish if not using twinks, a guild could expect up to a year's worth of weekly raids while climbing through tiers to gear everyone and be able to move on.

Life exists beyond EQ!

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by ludovician [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

I played another EQEmu server that had custom content, 14 tiers of raiding (100+ targets) and a maximum raid force of 18 people with fights that strategically were far beyond tank and spank.

From start to finish if not using twinks, a guild could expect up to a year's worth of weekly raids while climbing through tiers to gear everyone and be able to move on.

Life exists beyond EQ!

Of course it does. Once you hit 60, you have your epic and best gear in game then what do you do? Everything that was once difficult is a breeze now that you're in nearly BiS everything and zerging through it. I suppose I'd rather play in a guild that's more about skill and calculations than the "Let us throw 100 warm bodies at this boss mob and see if we make it!" . I just don't find the point of that, okay so you've made any sort of challenge extinct, and somebody else pointed out that it's to have fun with friends. Do you really know all 100 of those people? Are you all chatting in vent keeping a conversation going? I highly doubt it especially considering how tyrannical most raid leaders in vent are. You may as well do something challenging with the 10-20 people that you actually DO know, and have known for more than just 2-8 groups in the past. Just my take on it though, if people like bashing their heads against the wall and not testing themselves then it's a pretty moot point.

[teija]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course it does. Once you hit 60, you have your epic and best gear in game then what do you do? Everything that was once difficult is a breeze now that you're in nearly BiS everything and zerging through it. I suppose I'd rather play in a guild that's more about skill and calculations than the "1.Let us throw 100 warm bodies at this boss mob and see if we make it!" . I just don't find the point of that, okay so you've made any sort of challenge extinct, and somebody else pointed out that it's to have fun with friends. 2.Do you really know all 100 of those people? 3.Are you all chatting in vent keeping a conversation going? I highly doubt it especially considering how tyrannical most raid leaders in vent are. You may as well do something challenging with the 10-20 people that you actually DO know, and have known for more than just 2-8 groups in the past. Just my take on it though, 4.if people like bashing their heads against the wall and not testing themselves then it's a pretty moot point.

1.Im not sure where this "zerg"/"throw 100 bodies at the mob" thing came from but we have not had 100 people on a raid since day 1, our last few weeks raids have been a 30-65 average.

2. Yes I know every active raider in our guild including what class they are and chat with many of them [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3.Having many people talking in vent/ts at once can cause tons of issues/headaches for any guild on a raid and simple etiquette is expected during raids for most guilds im sure.

4. You sir have prolly not encountered the new Lord Vyemm or Tunare yet.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by ludovician [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

I played another EQEmu server that had custom content, 14 tiers of raiding (100+ targets) and a maximum raid force of 18 people with fights that strategically were far beyond tank and spank.

From start to finish if not using twinks, a guild could expect up to a year's worth of weekly raids while climbing through tiers to gear everyone and be able to move on.

Life exists beyond EQ!

I think you are speaking about Shards of Dalaya.

[Thulack]

Bringing people together to work for 1 goal of getting some useful loot for people.

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bringing people together to work for 1 goal of getting some useful loot for people.

Pretty much this. Fun things with friends. Relative low number kills are fun, but it's rare to have the opportunity.

Few of the 1999 encounters are really complicated except for the 1-6 main people. It's typically the pull, positioning, maybe dodging AEs and junks/dispels
Loved a few live encounters like Emp SSRA. Stuff that has real strategy and teamwork

[Caladbolg]

What I've always loved about raiding is the atmosphere of it. You have a raid leader working as a General of sorts, and a group of people with whom you carry out strategic approaches to given situations. After a while, you form a bond with the other members of your guild, and eventually you learn how everyone else plays and can function as a well oiled machine; sometimes without any actual communication. You know the clerics already have a CH chain going, you know the enchanters have the adds locked down, you know the tank is keeping the target's attention and has it pointing away from the main raid group, and you know that the dps are going to burn it, push it, ect when they need to. It's a nice feeling of mutual trust and accomplishment that really makes raiding what it is (in my opinion). It isn't so much about the loot as it is the spirit of the thing itself. The loot is pretty nice, too, though.

[Thulghor]

It was fun being able to check out places I wouldn't normally be able to see (Plane of Hate, Plane of Fear), and working with a group of people towards a common goal.

Side note: Who's the top guild now? I hardly pay attention to the raid rankings anymore since the TMO days.

[Swish]

I like the blur between "hardcore" and "casual" on blue... are you casual if you're zerging with 70-80 on a target at odd hours? Sure you are, if you say so... lol