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[jarshale]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where does a natural process even originate from in the first place? Only an intelligent being can create something because first it has to be designed and then it has to be manifested into reality.

lol

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by jarshale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

lol what exactly?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol what exactly?

You and that baseless thing you said.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You and that baseless thing you said.

How is it baseless exactly? Things can't just happen on their own for no reason. Do computer programs write themselves? Do paintings paint themselves? Can a car drive itself without being programmed by a person to do so? What we think of natural processes are actually designed and created that way by someone who had the knowledge to do so.

This is a good question. It is a good question to which we have no answer.

False. There is only one possible answer. They came from a being who has the capability of creating them. There is simply no other logical possible alternative.

So, you're saying caterpillars don't wrap themselves up and turn themselves into butterflies?

They only do because that's what their DNA is programmed to do.

Obviously since nothing intelligent intervenes butterflies simply shouldn't exist.

Um no. We can tell that something intelligent intervenes because butterflies do exist. The intelligence is embedded in their genetic code. Just like a computer program can perform tasks on it's own but only when designed to do so by a being with the intelligence to do so.

its as simple as that

If it's so simple then why can't man create a tree? Sorry but you're painfully delusional. The genetic code that makes up a tree or even the simplest of organisms is unimaginably complex.

"DNA is like a computer program only far more advanced than any ever created by man" - Bill Gates

DNA contains information and information can only come from an intelligent being. Therefor DNA can only have been created by a being with the intelligence to do so. Since whoever created DNA also created us, they are therefor God.

[maskedmelon]

Rationalizing faith only serves to undermine it. By definition faith is belief without proof. It is perfectly acceptable to know one thing and believe something contrary, but that is not always easily practiced.

You gave plenty of examples of man made things demonstrating creation necessitates an intelligent creator. How then do you explain things like erosion, wild fires and even spider webs? All three are created by unintelligent entities (wind, water, lightning, spiders).

Your argument that the existence of 'things' necessitates a creator, because man creates things is not logical because the validity of the association is indeterminate. Man is not the creator of all things, we do. Of know the extent of all creators in the universe and as I've demonstrated above we have examples of creation by non-intelligent things, so the assertion is illogical. It's fine to attribute those processes to a larger design by an intelligent creator, but the latter can be neither proven nor disproven.

[maskedmelon]

I should add that I am not trying to undermine your faith either, just pointing out that your approach does that by placing you in the uncomfortable position of arguing against reason. Your response to naysayers ought to just be "yeah, I know, but I believe this" and if you want to fill in a 'because' with how it has benefitted your life, you'd be much more apt to succeed.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rationalizing faith only serves to undermine it. By definition faith is belief without proof. It is perfectly acceptable to know one thing and believe something contrary, but that is not always easily practiced.

You gave plenty of examples of man made things demonstrating creation necessitates an intelligent creator. How then do you explain things like erosion, wild fires and even spider webs? All three are created by unintelligent entities (wind, water, lightning, spiders).

Your argument that the existence of 'things' necessitates a creator, because man creates things is not logical because the validity of the association is indeterminate. Man is not the creator of all things, we do. Of know the extent of all creators in the universe and as I've demonstrated above we have examples of creation by non-intelligent things, so the assertion is illogical. It's fine to attribute those processes to a larger design by an intelligent creator, but the latter can be neither proven nor disproven.

Sorry but no. There's a reason why science was invented by creationists and that the greatest scientists of all time were creationists and were believers in God. Sir Isaac Newton is considered to be the greatest scientist of all time. Science was originally devised by the wisest men as a means to better understand and explore the universe that God created. Listen to what he says.

“Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion.”
― Isaac Newton

“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.”
― Isaac Newton, The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy

“He who thinks half-heartedly will not believe in God; but he who really thinks has to believe in God.”
― Isaac Newton

“How came the bodies of animals to be contrived with so much art, and for what ends were their several parts?
Was the eye contrived without skill in Opticks, and the ear without knowledge of sounds?...and these things being rightly dispatch’d, does it not appear from phænomena that there is a Being incorporeal, living, intelligent...?”
― Isaac Newton, Opticks

“Blind metaphysical necessity, which is certainly the same always and every where, could produce no variety of things. All that diversity of natural things which we find suited to different times and places could arise from nothing but the ideas and will of a Being, necessarily existing.”
― Isaac Newton, The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy

Here's a good quote from Nikola Tesla, also one of the greatest scientists and contributors to man kind of all time.

"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being and if we focus our minds on this truth we become in tune with this great power" - Nikola Tesla


Wind, water, lightning and spiders were all created by an intelligent being. Everything that exists in the Universe including the Universe itself is a creation. As an example think of the World of Norrath and the EverQuest Universe. Every single detail in it was created by an intelligent being. There is nothing in the entire world of Norrath that wasn't specifically designed and created by an intelligent being. Likewise, the Universe we inhabit was designed and created by an intelligent being and one far more intelligent than we are.

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but no. There's a reason why science was invented by creationists and that the greatest scientists of all time were creationists and were believers in God. Sir Isaac Newton is considered to be the greatest scientist of all time. Science was originally devised by the wisest men as a means to better understand and explore the universe that God created. Listen to what he says.








Here's a good quote from Nikola Tesla, also one of the greatest scientists and contributors to man kind of all time.

"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being and if we focus our minds on this truth we become in tune with this great power" - Nikola Tesla


Wind, water, lightning and spiders were all created by an intelligent being. Everything that exists in the Universe including the Universe itself is a creation. As an example think of the World of Norrath and the EverQuest Universe. Every single detail in it was created by an intelligent being. There is nothing in the entire world of Norrath that wasn't specifically designed and created by an intelligent being. Likewise, the Universe we inhabit was designed and created by an intelligent being and one far more intelligent than we are.

Nikola Tesla was also a sellout and preferred government bodies over his fellow man because of money.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. There is only one possible answer. They came from a being who has the capability of creating them. There is simply no other logical possible alternative.

That, in itself, is a natural process. So your entire premise is factually and logically wrong.

[jarshale]

So your whole argument is basically "look how fucking complex DNA is, God must have done it"?