FCC kills Net Neutrality

[Hoggen]

The US was founded by capitalists. They saw government as a necessary evil and attempted to limit it as much as was practical. None of them believed that business could be quantified as evil, in and of itself.

No one is forced to buy anything from any particular corporate/private company. Life may be harder if you decide you have to move somewhere else to increase your buying opportunities, but you still have that choice. The company can't follow you and bring you back to make you buy their crap.

Government on the other hand is a monopoly on force. You have no options save what the government offers to you, and to reject their mandates is to risk bankruptcy, slavery, or death. Government can partner with business to enslave people, or at least limit their options, but business can't force government to do anything.

[Slathar]

when abraham lincoln wrote the constitution he warned us about this in the sub section talking about the military-industrial complex

[Torqumada286]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but business can't force government to do anything.

No, but they can throw tons of money at it to influence officials to do things their way.

Torqumada

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Torqumada286 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, but they can throw tons of money at it to influence officials to do things their way.

Torqumada

It's still the government that takes the action to harm the citizen, not the corporation. You can pay someone to kill a person, but they are the murderer: not you.

Also, money does not guarantee cooperation. Hitler accepted funds from many companies. After he took power, while many initially profited from the wartime economy, they had no real control over the actions of the government that inevitably led to their near complete destruction.

[Torqumada286]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's still the government that takes the action to harm the citizen, not the corporation. You can pay someone to kill a person, but they are the murderer: not you.

No, actually you are considered the murderer by law. You can be tried for First degree murder and get the death penalty, while the person who actually did the murder can get off with a lighter sentence. See here. If a corporation manages to convince a government to take action to harm it's citizens, the corporation is still the one ultimately responsible.

Also, money does not guarantee cooperation. Hitler accepted funds from many companies. After he took power, while many initially profited from the wartime economy, they had no real control over the actions of the government that inevitably led to their near complete destruction.

So you are equating a Constitutional Republic with a Dictatorship as they are both governments and operate the same way?

Also, Godwin.

Torqumada

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Torqumada286 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, actually you are considered the murderer by law. You can be tried for First degree murder and get the death penalty, while the person who actually did the murder can get off with a lighter sentence. See here. If a corporation manages to convince a government to take action to harm it's citizens, the corporation is still the one ultimately responsible.



So you are equating a Constitutional Republic with a Dictatorship as they are both governments and operate the same way?

Also, Godwin.

Torqumada

Without bothering to look up specific laws, I'll address your first example as follows: the man is guilty of murder. Nothing in the article says he is not charged with murder. He is getting a plea deal for implicating the woman.
The woman will be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, accessory, and perhaps numerous other charges allowed by law. Conspiracy is a serious crime, but no more so than murder. I'm not a lawyer, but this is my understanding based on all I've seen and heard.

I used Hitler as a general example that few would disagree with. You seem to forget that Germany was run by the Weimar Republic up until their collapse in 1933 when they handed power over to Hitler. They in fact WERE a constitutional republic in all but name when they did so ( they were still nominally an empire in spite of their constitution and governmental structure).

If you want a perfectly synonymous example in place of Hitler, look at the 2008 election. In spite of giving generously to the Obama campaign, many CEOs of banks and corporations found their companies seized (i.e. AIG, GM, etc.) or heavily positioned by the feds with direct support of Obama and his administration. You can argue that they were able to retire rich and likely were happy to leave, but the fact remains that the entities involved took their power from them and assumed control of their companies, at least in part. This was not done to enrich the companies or the politicians, but to seize power through direct control of the companies, and in a move seen as likely popular with their voter base.