TOV - Pulling Mobs to ENT

[Daldaen]

Further musings.

Typically you are not allowed to have more than 2 players past zone in when a mob spawns to contest it. This doesn't make as much sense for some of these.

IE - A guild could be clearing WToV and Dozekar spawns in EToV. They should be able to contest him if they are in a different wing. Likewise if a guild is farming HoT, and a NToV dragon spawns they should be able to contest it. The wings separate themselves pretty well.

Similarly a group could be in Arena and Tormax spawns, or a group could be farming Tormax mobs and Statue spawns.

Especially in the beginning when guilds are factioning, farming armor and questing. They shouldn't be blocked from these zones when mobs are due to spawn because a group of them are hanging out in a different part of the zone.

Velious won't be as simple as FTE I don't think.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Further musings.

Typically you are not allowed to have more than 2 players past zone in when a mob spawns to contest it. This doesn't make as much sense for some of these.

IE - A guild could be clearing WToV and Dozekar spawns in EToV. They should be able to contest him if they are in a different wing. Likewise if a guild is farming HoT, and a NToV dragon spawns they should be able to contest it. The wings separate themselves pretty well.

Similarly a group could be in Arena and Tormax spawns, or a group could be farming Tormax mobs and Statue spawns.

Especially in the beginning when guilds are factioning, farming armor and questing. They shouldn't be blocked from these zones when mobs are due to spawn because a group of them are hanging out in a different part of the zone.

Velious won't be as simple as FTE I don't think.

^^^

Agreed and this makes complete sense.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Further musings.

Typically you are not allowed to have more than 2 players past zone in when a mob spawns to contest it. This doesn't make as much sense for some of these.

IE - A guild could be clearing WToV and Dozekar spawns in EToV. They should be able to contest him if they are in a different wing. Likewise if a guild is farming HoT, and a NToV dragon spawns they should be able to contest it. The wings separate themselves pretty well.

Similarly a group could be in Arena and Tormax spawns, or a group could be farming Tormax mobs and Statue spawns.

Especially in the beginning when guilds are factioning, farming armor and questing. They shouldn't be blocked from these zones when mobs are due to spawn because a group of them are hanging out in a different part of the zone.

Velious won't be as simple as FTE I don't think.

Daldean,

The current rules were for the sake of Kunark and Classic content only. There was zero consideration given to how they would effect the Velious raid scene.

Also, a single group farming armor or faction should hold no authority on claiming an area over a raid. A 40-60 man raid looking to down a target is there for a temporary purpose of killing a raid mob and moving on. A single group should yield for a reasonable amount of time, until that mob is killed, and then return to their armor/faction farming.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Daldean,

The current rules were for the sake of Kunark and Classic content only. There was zero consideration given to how they would effect the Velious raid scene.

Also, a single group farming armor or faction should hold no authority on claiming an area over a raid. A 40-60 man raid looking to down a target is there for a temporary purpose of killing a raid mob and moving on. A single group should yield for a reasonable amount of time, until that mob is killed, and then return to their armor/faction farming.

You misunderstood me.

I'm suggesting that if TMO had a presence doing say... Keldor Dek Torek, a group able mob. And your group were clearing through Tormax area. Then you all of a sudden hear that Statue is up, in the north wing of Kael, your presence at Tormax shouldn't prohibit TMO from competing on Statue. Because with the size of zones and requirements for engaging most of these mobs, your being in a completely different part of the zone with 6 players doesn't give any tangible advantage.

Likewise, if you and a group or two are farming trash in HoTesting. You shouldn't be prohibited from contesting a raid spawn in WToV or NToV. You SHOULD however be prohibited from engaging Dozekar, because he spawns in the wing where you were at, and clearing trash have you a clear benefit in engaging him. However clearing that trash gives absolutely no benefit in engaging a WToV or NToV spawn.

Its all going to get sorted out eventually, but yes, FTE definitely was a system designed for Kunark and Classic targets where a warrior and a cleric can hold off a mob for a few minutes solo. Good luck doing that in Velious.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You misunderstood me.

I'm suggesting that if TMO had a presence doing say... Keldor Dek Torek, a group able mob. And your group were clearing through Tormax area. Then you all of a sudden hear that Statue is up, in the north wing of Kael, your presence at Tormax shouldn't prohibit TMO from competing on Statue. Because with the size of zones and requirements for engaging most of these mobs, your being in a completely different part of the zone with 6 players doesn't give any tangible advantage.

Likewise, if you and a group or two are farming trash in HoTesting. You shouldn't be prohibited from contesting a raid spawn in WToV or NToV. You SHOULD however be prohibited from engaging Dozekar, because he spawns in the wing where you were at, and clearing trash have you a clear benefit in engaging him. However clearing that trash gives absolutely no benefit in engaging a WToV or NToV spawn.

Its all going to get sorted out eventually, but yes, FTE definitely was a system designed for Kunark and Classic targets where a warrior and a cleric can hold off a mob for a few minutes solo. Good luck doing that in Velious.

I don't think I misunderstood, I just responded to a focused part of your discussion - I probably should have contextualized better.

I agree that the 2 person in zone while mobs are in window rule will be ineffective, prohibitive and unnecessary come tomorrow. You are right about a party being in one area of the zone not having any impact on the progress of a raid force engaging a mob on the opposite end of the zone. There should be no consequence for this.

However, I also don't think poop-socking will be as significant an issue as it was in Kunark/Classic, making the "same portion of the zone = ineligible to engage" concept antiquated. You are correct about us not know the windows yet (or if there even are windows) and there are no class restrictions (as of yet), which leads me to feel that no matter how great your overall force, Velious content is so sprawling and expansive (in both landmass and content) that it wouldn't really be practical to camp your raid force at/near a single target or even two. If it's stall we're worried about, we can just stick to the current no-stalling rule.

[Sampten]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think I misunderstood, I just responded to a focused part of your discussion - I probably should have contextualized better.

I agree that the 2 person in zone while mobs are in window rule will be ineffective, prohibitive and unnecessary come tomorrow. You are right about a party being in one area of the zone not having any impact on the progress of a raid force engaging a mob on the opposite end of the zone. There should be no consequence for this.

However, I also don't think poop-socking will be as significant an issue as it was in Kunark/Classic, making the "same portion of the zone = ineligible to engage" concept antiquated. You are correct about us not know the windows yet (or if there even are windows) and there are no class restrictions (as of yet), which leads me to feel that no matter how great your overall force, Velious content is so sprawling and expansive (in both landmass and content) that it wouldn't really be practical to camp your raid force at/near a single target or even two. If it's stall we're worried about, we can just stick to the current no-stalling rule.

Putting a raid force in one wing, waiting for a mob to spawn in another is most likely going to be a no go. I mean, you're "wing poopsocking" at that point, and deliberately giving yourself a competitive advantage by doing so.

GM clarification is going to be in order, and there's been no responses/information by any of the powers that be to this point.

I still encourage "common sense" approach. If something might be consider shady, it probably is, and if you're going to take part in it then you run the risk of raid suspension and loot deletion.

[Pint]

I don't think ppl in wings should disqualify you from raiding in another wing but what happens when 6-12 ppl turns in to ~40 people just mold farming? Velious should just be full ffa for awhile with the exception of not being able to drag raid targets all around zones.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, a single group farming armor or faction should hold no authority on claiming an area over a raid. A 40-60 man raid looking to down a target is there for a temporary purpose of killing a raid mob and moving on. A single group should yield for a reasonable amount of time, until that mob is killed, and then return to their armor/faction farming.

Why exactly do you and a bunch of poopsocking dorks have authority over me and some people playing the game? What makes us second class citizens?

"move along scrubs, the raid force is here" ?

go fuck yourself

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why exactly do you and a bunch of poopsocking dorks have authority over me and some people playing the game? What makes us second class citizens?

"move along scrubs, the raid force is here" ?

go fuck yourself

You lost your entitlement to an honest explanation when you resorted to personal attacks/vulgarity - that's probably what makes you a 'second class citizen'.

Take your RnF elsewhere.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Typically you are not allowed to have more than 2 players past zone in when a mob spawns to contest it. This doesn't make as much sense for some of these.

IE - A guild could be clearing WToV and Dozekar spawns in EToV. They should be able to contest him if they are in a different wing. Likewise if a guild is farming HoT, and a NToV dragon spawns they should be able to contest it. The wings separate themselves pretty well.

Similarly a group could be in Arena and Tormax spawns, or a group could be farming Tormax mobs and Statue spawns.

Especially in the beginning when guilds are factioning, farming armor and questing. They shouldn't be blocked from these zones when mobs are due to spawn because a group of them are hanging out in a different part of the zone.

Velious won't be as simple as FTE I don't think.

Disagree. This is exactly the same thing as farming hate/fear armor and having Inny/CT spawn. Don't be in zone while they're in window.