<Fresh> disbanded due to massive division in the guild caused by the alliance.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys need to realize empire is just in this thread tryin to troll people out of a one-tag alliance... They know communication is one of their big advantages right now

You mean like using the same voice chat server while doing alliance stuff? Not being a baby and being able to say "PVP happened" when its time to do Alliance business?

My guild in Darkfall, we had to review before each battle, which particular guild was KOS (youd pay merc guilds to fight for you that youd fight the next time because other side offered more money). So if youre not able to contain your burgers when you see someone alongside you that an hour ago was ganking your ass then its all to your guild's detriment.

No one in his right mind knowing the facts would put themselves at the mercy of Lite's loot council. Alliance is one thing, merging another.

If Lite is offering merger or no alliance, you can already tell this is going down the toilet

[bloodletter]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean like using the same voice chat server while doing alliance stuff? Not being a baby and being able to say "PVP happened" when its time to do Alliance business?

My guild in Darkfall, we had to review before each battle, which particular guild was KOS (youd pay merc guilds to fight for you that youd fight the next time because other side offered more money). So if youre not able to contain your burgers when you see someone alongside you that an hour ago was ganking your ass then its all to your guild's detriment.

No one in his right mind knowing the facts would put themselves at the mercy of Lite's loot council. Alliance is one thing, merging another.

If Lite is offering merger or no alliance, you can already tell this is going down the toilet

I think you're just proving my point?

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're just proving my point?

What im saying is whats the big deal over merging? Why cant guilds stay independent with a ponctual alliance to go after empire when its time to do that?

I just hate people getting their interest in the game take a nose dive when they feel theyre working to gear up the inner core with crumbs thrown their way if theyre lucky.

Fresh sounded like a guild like Red Dawn, people may talk shit about Heartbrand but beside his politics (which I dont really give a fuck in-game, even find it fun to play with people way different than me through MMOs), i thought he was one of the best as far as loot distribution trickling down to the masses went. Even Nizzar with his RMT cut did more for people that werent officers then i ever saw in Azrael. In RD i felt emphasis was on fun, experiencing content for people new to end game, gearing out your toon, meeting cool normal people (lol).

When there was no PVP bonus and it was a huge grind to get to 60, Lite had us sit in Seb for 5 hours waiting to get crushed by Nihilum when the best thing to do was to use the weekend's xp bonus to get people to 60. When i argued against staying in Seb to get crushed, Lite told me "Thats the way it is because thats what the higher ups decided". He didnt have to justify himself to me over his selfish decisions that was detrimental to the guild (His toon was already 60) because i was just a peasant lower down. Ive met many people in RD later on i had never met before and they had the same types of stories to tell about Lite, so its not because it was me.

Now its been a while and people could argue against what i just said, that Azrael doesnt function like this anymore, but i highly doubt that.

If i was in Fresh, the burden of proof to explain how its not going to be like that would be resting on Lite's shoulders.

[bloodletter]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What im saying is whats the big deal over merging? Why cant guilds stay independent with a ponctual alliance to go after empire when its time to do that?

I just hate people getting their interest in the game take a nose dive when they feel theyre working to gear up the inner core with crumbs thrown their way if theyre lucky.

Fresh sounded like a guild like Red Dawn, people may talk shit about Heartbrand but beside his politics (which I dont really give a fuck in-game, even find it fun to play with people way different than me through MMOs), i thought he was one of the best as far as loot distribution trickling down to the masses. Even Nizzar with his RMT cut did more for people that werent officers then i ever saw in Azrael. In RD i felt emphasis was on fun, experiencing content for people new to end game, gearing out your toon, meeting cool normal people (lol).

When there was no PVP bonus and it was a huge grind to get to 60, Lite had us sit in Seb for 5 hours waiting to get crushed by Nihilum when the best thing to do was to use the weekend's xp bonus to get people to 60. When i argued against staying in Seb to get crushed, Lite told me "Thats the way it is because thats what the higher ups decided". He didnt have to justify himself to me over his selfish decisions (His toon was already 60) because i was just a peasant lower down. Ive met many people in RD later on i had never met before and they had the same types of stories to tell about Lite, so its not because it was me.

Now its been a while and people could argue against what i just said, that Azrael doesnt function like this anymore, but i highly doubt that.

If i was in Fresh, the burden of proof to explain how its not going to be like that would be resting on Lite's shoulders.

Yea <Red Dawn> was good stuff and it's too bad Heartbrand gave up, abandoning the cyber elves that needed him.

We've tried the coordination under separate banners, and you've watched it not work. Your proposition would be to 'just try harder' ? Trying harder won't work. Changes obviously need to be made, as it is right now fights that matter aren't being won. Sure Empire is being picked off here and there and a few targets might be acquired on a ground shake but over time it's just not the progress the server needs before August. Do you want to see Velious come around with 40-60% of the server under one <Empire> tag?

I don't.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea <Red Dawn> was good stuff and it's too bad Heartbrand gave up, abandoning the cyber elves that needed him.

We've tried the coordination under separate banners, and you've watched it not work. Your proposition would be to 'just try harder' ? Trying harder won't work. Changes obviously need to be made, as it is right now fights that matter aren't being won. Sure Empire is being picked off here and there and a few targets might be acquired on a ground shake but over time it's just not the progress the server needs before August. Do you want to see Velious come around with 40-60% of the server under one <Empire> tag?

I don't.

I just dont see why there needs to be a merge, youre gonna have to coordinate anyway through voice, yeah, just practice it. I dont have the inner diplomacy at hand but if what Lite is proposing sounds like "My way or you guys are going back on Azrael's kill list" big alarm bells would be ringing in my head right now.

Then it means that the problem is Lite's bullheaded way to get what he wants instead of trying to make an alliance work, not that its pointless to try harder to get different guild tags to coordinate together, which wouldnt surprise me one bit.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by bloodletter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea <Red Dawn> was good stuff and it's too bad Heartbrand gave up, abandoning the cyber elves that needed him.

We've tried the coordination under separate banners, and you've watched it not work. Your proposition would be to 'just try harder' ? Trying harder won't work. Changes obviously need to be made, as it is right now fights that matter aren't being won. Sure Empire is being picked off here and there and a few targets might be acquired on a ground shake but over time it's just not the progress the server needs before August. Do you want to see Velious come around with 40-60% of the server under one <Empire> tag?

I don't.

Sorry bro, but when the XP bonus got completely removed and I spent 2 hours in a Sol B PL group to get people literally 1% XP, I think we went from list cut short every night to 6-8 people on prime time, back when the box had like 70 people online @ peak hours. Just had no interest starting all over again from square one.