Play Nice Policy/LNS/RvR needs overhaul before Velious

[Gardur]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the problem right now is that you can engage, lose 2 people, and call force LNS for dozens of more players that plugged and immediately leave like nothing happened

there's really no penalty for taking a fight and losing

there's also no way to actually establish zone control right now considering you can just eat a sacrificial lamb death and then call LNS into a zone that someone is trying to stop you from entering via pvp

1) I would argue that the current state of the server necessitates this be the case. If empire could just crush your whole force to a man everytme you contest then raid mob monopolization would only get worse.

2) I'm all for victor calling exclusion zones. I remember killing az outside fear portal and them just lnsing inside. That's why the ogre wall was built.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Gardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) I would argue that the current state of the server necessitates this be the case. If empire could just crush your whole force to a man everytme you contest then raid mob monopolization would only get worse.

2) I'm all for victor calling exclusion zones. I remember killing az outside fear portal and them just lnsing inside. That's why the ogre wall was built.

you don't see an issue with the current system of getting caught in a bad fight, raising your hands while saying "FORCE LNS! DON'T TOUCH ME OR GET BANNED!" while you port out with impunity?

it's comically stupid; you should pay actual consequences for losing a fight in the raid scene

[pgerman]

Ive asked sirken multiple times to increase force LNS from 1 hour to at least 3 hours. I agree that a fight won should mean something, if someone wants to use force LNS

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't see an issue with the current system of getting caught in a bad fight, raising your hands while saying "FORCE LNS! DON'T TOUCH ME OR GET BANNED!" while you port out with impunity?

it's comically stupid; you should pay actual consequences for losing a fight in the raid scene

Disagree with sea wall. I think it allows for more pvp interactions to happen. Anything that allows more pvp to occur is a positive. I fought hard for the pnp to be implemented and I think it's a positive thing. The problem is lack of active guides and people making rulings based off YouTube videos.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree with sea wall. I think it allows for more pvp interactions to happen. Anything that allows more pvp to occur is a positive. I fought hard for the pnp to be implemented and I think it's a positive thing. The problem is lack of active guides and people making rulings based off YouTube videos.

But the point we're making is that it's never meaningful PvP with the current state of the PnP.

It's chickenshit rule lawyering PvP where no side has to commit if they feel out-classed.

If you want raid content, commit to a fight. Don't bitch out and look for ways around having to fight.

[pgerman]

pnp should only have 2 rules


1. Force LNS extend to 3 hours, stay out of the zone
2. No training


Any other LNS is player enforced like it was on live. If you are afraid to die again, Log the hell out.

All this steal killing PNP and shit, get the hell out of here. Blue server has raped this server in the ass with PnP.

[Rednaros]

Originally Posted by pgerman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pnp should only have 2 rules


1. Force LNS extend to 3 hours, stay out of the zone
2. No training


Any other LNS is player enforced like it was on live. If you are afraid to die again, Log the hell out.

All this steal killing PNP and shit, get the hell out of here. Blue server has raped this server in the ass with PnP.

Agreed 100%

[daasgoot_2.0]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't see an issue with the current system of getting caught in a bad fight, raising your hands while saying "FORCE LNS! DON'T TOUCH ME OR GET BANNED!" while you port out with impunity?

it's comically stupid; you should pay actual consequences for losing a fight in the raid scene

well, every fight is a bad fight against the zerg. when you outnumbered 2-3x its smarter to avoid the zerg all together.

[Gardur]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't see an issue with the current system of getting caught in a bad fight, raising your hands while saying "FORCE LNS! DON'T TOUCH ME OR GET BANNED!" while you port out with impunity?

it's comically stupid; you should pay actual consequences for losing a fight in the raid scene

I mean we're both bringing our own perspective here. You almost always win so of course you're looking to make that count for more.

I'm trying to get the new folks engaged and pvping. So of course I would like to see my people able to lick their wounds and move on. Smaller guilds don't have extras of some key classes so losing a few people can end their day as they can't afford to just leave corpses and move on.

[Runya]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't see an issue with the current system of getting caught in a bad fight, raising your hands while saying "FORCE LNS! DON'T TOUCH ME OR GET BANNED!" while you port out with impunity?

it's comically stupid; you should pay actual consequences for losing a fight in the raid scene

Imo you shouldn't be able to lns from pvp unless you took a yt