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[Dabamf]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I recall you saying that you did not want to see Kunark open early but you seem to be contradicting yourself.

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I never said that. I'd love to see sky open in a week and Kunark in a month. But see, those are purely selfish desires so I don't go around pushing that on everyone.

And from a purely item quality standpoint, everyone should want manastones & rubi over solro stuff. There's not a single item in the game that could even compare to the benefit of a manastone. So leaving them in game longer by delaying solro is good for everyone who doesn't yet have one. If you don't care about having a manastone, you don't care about being good.

But I'm with zithax also. I'd like to see solro in the game and manastones/rubi permanently in as well. Their removal I think will cause prospective new players to reconsider knowing that they'd be at a permanent disadvantage to the rest of the population unless they can get their hands on one.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Dabamf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wat

I never said that. I'd love to see sky open in a week and Kunark in a month. But see, those are purely selfish desires so I don't go around pushing that on everyone.

Well not exactly but you did say this a few pages ago.

Originally Posted by Dabamf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Um...opening kunark harms everyone who wants to enjoy vanilla eq, because it negates a lot of important zones and items.

I'm not sure what your getting at with this. Do you want what will benefit you or something that will benefit the life and growth of the entire server/community?
Because the server has always been advertised as being Vanilla EQ, that's what people come here for: NATURAL PROGRESSION

[Dabamf]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well not exactly but you did say this a few pages ago.



I'm not sure what your getting at with this. Do you want what will benefit you or something that will benefit the life and growth of the entire server/community?
Because the server has always been advertised as being Vanilla EQ, that's what people come here for: NATURAL PROGRESSION

You're picking at the informal nature of my post rather than addressing my actual points, and when you do address something it is taken out of context. I only said kunark harms people to draw contrast with my point, which was that opening hate cannot possibly harm anyone. You haven't addressed that. The kunark comment wasn't the focus. It's an argument technique. If you accept some of your opponents ideas temporarily, and can prove them wrong using their own assumptions, it is a stronger argument because you have fewer points of disagreement.

I'm choosing to ignore your other points for pragmatic reasons because we're never gonna make any progress. I'd have to be on shrooms to understand what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, they are following the exact order so far that they posted in the past. So there can be no complaint.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Dabamf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're picking at the informal nature of my post rather than addressing my actual points, and when you do address something it is taken out of context. I only said kunark harms people to draw contrast with my point, which was that opening hate cannot possibly harm anyone. You haven't addressed that. The kunark comment wasn't the focus. It's an argument technique. If you accept some of your opponents ideas temporarily, and can prove them wrong using their own assumptions, it is a stronger argument because you have fewer points of disagreement.

I'm choosing to ignore your other points for pragmatic reasons because we're never gonna make any progress. I'd have to be on shrooms to understand what the hell you're talking about.

Anyway, they are following the exact order so far that they posted in the past. So there can be no complaint.

To be fair, you haven't given me a valid reason on how releasing content out of order in order to please a couple raid guilds benefits the population more than following the classic timeline does.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Dabamf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And from a purely item quality standpoint, everyone should want manastones & rubi over solro stuff. There's not a single item in the game that could even compare to the benefit of a manastone.

I can think of quite a few classes that gain absolutely no benefit from either item(assuming you are refering specifically to the Rubi BP , do I need to list them?

Originally Posted by Dabamf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't care about having a manastone, you don't care about being good.

And this just made me laugh out loud!!!
How on Earth did people manage back in the day? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[yaaaflow]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can think of quite a few classes that gain absolutely no benefit from either item(assuming you are refering specifically to the Rubi BP , do I need to list them?

Really? Please do. I'm trying to think of classes that aren't improved by having a manastone or a rubi bp, and so far I've come up with monk. Is there possibly any other class where either increasing their HP regen, or increasing their ability to get mana would not be beneficial. Hell, it would be beneficial for a monk, but they just can't wear the bp. What other classes could possibly not want one of those items, provided they could use it?

[anthony210]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Please do. I'm trying to think of classes that aren't improved by having a manastone or a rubi bp, and so far I've come up with monk. Is there possibly any other class where either increasing their HP regen, or increasing their ability to get mana would not be beneficial. Hell, it would be beneficial for a monk, but they just can't wear the bp. What other classes could possibly not want one of those items, provided they could use it?

Rogue. Cant wear Rubi BP and has no use for mana.

[Dabamf]

Originally Posted by anthony210 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue. Cant wear Rubi BP and has no use for mana.

quoting before edit

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by yaaaflow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Please do. I'm trying to think of classes that aren't improved by having a manastone or a rubi bp, and so far I've come up with monk. Is there possibly any other class where either increasing their HP regen, or increasing their ability to get mana would not be beneficial. Hell, it would be beneficial for a monk, but they just can't wear the bp. What other classes could possibly not want one of those items, provided they could use it?

No benefit from a manastone: monk, bard, rogue, warrior
Limited usefulness: necro, shaman, or anyone soloing that can’t regen their own hitpoints. What’s the point of filling up your manapool at the cost of your hitpoints if your all alone and can get killed in 1 random hit afterwards.
So basically you want to be in a group or else you end up bandaging yourself of sitting to heal instead of just sitting to med like all those thousand of players did back in 1999.

No benefit from Rubicite Breastplate: All the classes that can’t wear them, any tank past the late 20’s since they can’t solo anymore and need to be in groups. I might exclude shadowknights since they can still fear-kite.

Rubi is great for twinking alts, sure, just like fungi will be. It’s not essential by any stretch of the imagination and completely useless if you are a class that’s dependant on being in a group. If the extra 3hp a tic was so damn important then every person rolling up a warrior or shadowknight by this logic would select troll as their race. Tanks need to concentrate on absorbing as much damage as possible, not trying to heal themselves for 3 hitpoints per 4 seconds.

I dare say that if you feel like you NEED either of these items to play then your doing something wrong.

[yaaaflow]

I typed out why you were being ridiculously obtuse about the manastone/rubi bp issue, but I'm not here to make a fucking user manual for them so I will keep this short and sweet.

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Limited usefulness: necro, shaman, or anyone soloing that can’t regen their own hitpoints. What’s the point of filling up your manapool at the cost of your hitpoints if your all alone and can get killed in 1 random hit afterwards.
So basically you want to be in a group or else you end up bandaging yourself of sitting to heal instead of just sitting to med like all those thousand of players did back in 1999.

Manastone is the only item in the game currently which can be used to increase your mana regen. This is very important.

No benefit from Rubicite Breastplate: <snip>

Rubi BP is the only item in the game currently which can be used to increase your passive hp regen. This is very important.

I dare say that if you feel like you NEED either of these items to play then your doing something wrong.

Who the hell said this? However, If you feel your character is reaching their max potential without one of those two items (and you aren't a monk) then you are wrong.

Edit: I am aware of one off items like mod rods or purchasable regen potions. Those are not at all equivalent to a manastone or a rubi bp.