Velzira Petition Clarification

[Veltira]

I was unbanned a few minutes ago, it was just a crazy situation that ended up resolving itself. I am not sure who should be held at "fault" for this but heres one thing i do know: Sirken is a really good GM. He went throught he logs, took the time to do a real investigation, and showed me exactly what happened and when. He exonerated me and lifted my ban and honestly I couldn't ask for better service.

Sirken for Red GM 4 Lyfe (except when pvp teams comes out, then we want him there instead!)

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Veltira [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was unbanned a few minutes ago, it was just a crazy situation that ended up resolving itself. I am not sure who should be held at "fault" for this but heres one thing i do know: Sirken is a really good GM. He went throught he logs, took the time to do a real investigation, and showed me exactly what happened and when. He exonerated me and lifted my ban and honestly I couldn't ask for better service.

Sirken for Red GM 4 Lyfe (except when pvp teams comes out, then we want him there instead!)

I am glad you got unbanned. I now fully understand the rules. However I did not lie to a GM or try to get you banned. See below and state where I petitioned that I was there first. Cant do it?

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is my petition with a few names and unrelated OOC removed:

Wondering how kill stealing fits in. The rules state that first to engage should be applied, except on red a person should attempt to kill via PvP first.

So while I am trying to get Hadden for fishbone earring, higher levels stole my kills twice today. They should have killed me first going by the rules, but because of level range they could not.

So should I have rights to the kill based on FTE or is this rule not stated to my understanding under the PnP?

This morning at the 9am spawn it was xxxx who took the kill after I achieved FTE with Flame Lick. At the 9pm spawn it was Velzira.

Please let me know, thank you.

*** Not part of petition but Velzira was not in zone before me or Tenderly ****

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:02 2015] Velzira raises an eyebrow at Tenderly.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Targeted (NPC): Hadden
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:09 2015] Right click on the NPC to consider him.

[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] You begin casting Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:10 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden says, 'Ah.. Though you appear so puny, I'm sure your flesh will make good bait!'
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] Hadden is surrounded by flickering flames.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:11 2015] You have become better at Evocation! (142)
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] Hadden has taken 2 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:14 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden was hit by non-melee for 182 points of damage.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Hadden's skin combusts.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:18 2015] Velzira begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:20 2015] Hadden has taken 3 damage from your Flame Lick.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:21 2015] You begin casting Combust.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Velzira regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with AntoniusBayle got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CircleofUnseenHands got better.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with CoalitionofTradeFolk got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with GuardsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Your faction standing with MerchantsofQeynos got worse.
[Sun Apr 12 21:01:24 2015] Hadden says 'Arrrhhh.. The Merchants of Qeynos.. are many.. and powerful.. ..you won't get away.. with.. this.. hor.. orr.. rible.. .. ..'

[kildone]

You can kill me and your whole guild can hunt me down Im happy for that. Thats why I only role or anon when a group asks me to. If people want to just mez me forever, that's no fun so be it.

[Veltira]

Jeez dude let it go..

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Veltira [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jeez dude let it go..

Consider it let go. I have said all I could. Just came back one last time to show that I did not lie. It aint worth it for a game.

[Lev_Mer]

I think we all should hug a little. What a satisfying resolution to this pertinent matter.

[kildone]

Ok so I lied on the forums? Lets take a look:

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

I did not say I petitioned the above, but it did happen previously. I wont speak for others but they were there too.

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

Oh look I admit to you being there first but I thought FTE was the rule, again see my petition... Oh see here is where I say I petitioned...

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all I petitioned for rules clarification. Not for punishment.

Second I had both cases. Once I was there first and once I was not. I petitioned for clarification giving an example to either hear I was correct or I was not.
Third I read the rules wrong, in your opinion, which I could agree with. But please show me with a quote from PnP where it says a static mob is a camp as opposed to a mob with PH(s) such as AC which is FTE. That's what I wanted from my petition, clarification from staff. So that next time I had a camp I could tell other players who showed up and ignored or taunted me that I held the camp and they had to kill me to take the camp.

If that's a scummy move, so be it.

Lastly to bring up tranix as a camp is laughable. To think a group of 50 will not have it stolen by lvl 60? Nobody in their right mind, who has any recent experience with Tranix would honestly believe that. Maybe you are just saying those 60 who steal the mob should be petitioned?

Oh look I said it again

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey you brought it public first, then Sirken posted my name. Don't blame me for airing your dirty laundry, it was already out there. I was just adding my side of the story.

Nobody hurt my feelings in shout, I never said that. I just said that a guildmate of yours added one more piece of evidence that talking to members of your guild does not solve problems.

Colgate is the only guy I ever had a civilized conversation with to date. Just because of that I did not feel it would benefit me to go to your guild leadership before I knew what the rules are. Maybe I would have afterwards, but to day I am only making assumptions, the staff never answered me directly. They only implied saying "Sorry, this has been taken care of"

Don't forget, that during a previous spawn, you did not respect anyone else who had that camp first when you showed up and tried to take the kill. There were two people other than me there.
Just because you happened to be first that one occasion does not mean squat in this.

Don't try to make me feel sorry for what the GMs did, based on your actions. Don't try to tell me that I should show up first and beg you not to take my camp. Or ask you afterwards for charity.

And I said it again...

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once I was there first, he showed up and didn't care that there were a total of three others there before him. Nobody invis, clearly after Hadden, nothing else is there to camp.

I went and read the PnP which I think implies FTE for mobs without PH to keep cleared. Maybe Im wrong, fine, staff could have told me so in my petition.

Based on that info and knowing that people did not respect a typical camp of hadden I tried to take the mob by FTE.
I petitioned "Hey I got my kill stolen twice by two different people. Name A which I wont reveal here and Name B" I base tis claim on FTE. Do I understand the rules or am I mistaken, please let me know...

Here is a log of the latest example ...

Then I get a reply "Sorry this has been taken care of"
Veltira posts a thread he was banned
Sirken posts my name in a report that shows I was FTE

I follow up with my side of the story in hope I can learn the rules for future reference and to get Veltiras ban lifted if it was unjust.

And again

Kill me all you want, but don't call me a liar.