Shaman race debate

[loramin]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone says ogre all the way as if the entire play experience can be boiled down to a few moments where you're tanking some hits.

Those "few moments" are the most important fights in many Shaman's lives.

When you are level 60 with Torpor, and you want to solo something beefy (like say some Velious content), regen barely helps, but front stun immunity does.

Since "level 60 with Torpor soloing baddass stuff" is the pinnacle of many Shaman's aspirations, Ogre is popular because at that very end stage the Ogre racial is useful and the Troll/Iksar racial isn't. It has nothing to do with which one can be used more often, and everything to do with having the most useful ability at the "pinnacle" moments.

Now, personally I don't buy that argument (as evidenced by my polar bear hat), but I'm just saying, you can't dismiss Ogre as being about "a few moments" because there's a huge difference between the easy fight against a blue when you are leveling and the insanely hard fight that you do at the very end of your career.

[kagrobb]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those "few moments" are the most important fights in many Shaman's lives.

When you are level 60 with Torpor, and you want to solo something beefy (like say some Velious content), regen barely helps, but front stun immunity does.

Since "level 60 with Torpor soloing baddass stuff" is the pinnacle of many Shaman's aspirations, Ogre is popular because at that very end stage the Ogre racial is useful and the Troll/Iksar racial isn't. It has nothing to do with which one can be used more often, and everything to do with having the most useful ability at the "pinnacle" moments.

Now, personally I don't buy that argument (as evidenced by my polar bear hat), but I'm just saying, you can't dismiss Ogre as being about "a few moments" because there's a huge difference between the easy fight against a blue when you are leveling and the insanely hard fight that you do at the very end of your career.

This post begins to touch the surface of the ogre solo ability of difficult targets at the level 60. On live I played a shm and during the velious era in group/thurg quest/epic click I could and did solo guardian wurms outside of VP ent for spells with my crappy shm pet. I have said this before but was called a liar by other shaman. root the mob malo the mob slow it, then cannit to full if you need to reslow/cripple click epic dot dot dot reroot. at this point you will start to get summoned you can either try to keep pet up or just back up since it takes a few seconds to get resummoned. Root slow rot canni topor until you have killed the mob.

Tedious yes, duo with sk or pally is far easier and far faster, but this is doable if you are bored enough or want to try to grind out some plat for spells. The caveat is that you need topor already to do this since no other heal line is going to keep this going.

Being able to tank a mob in the face as you recast slow or canni or topor yourself is worth its weight in gold at any level not just 60. So many times even as a lowbie shm it has saved me from losing spell casting and finished that slow or healed through a beatdown by a mob. Start thinking about slows on ae ramp mobs and having to bellycast on everything. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*edit* got a ton of necro spells for the guild necros before i got my avatard spell on live

[phro]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those "few moments" are the most important fights in many Shaman's lives.

When you are level 60 with Torpor, and you want to solo something beefy (like say some Velious content), regen barely helps, but front stun immunity does.

Since "level 60 with Torpor soloing baddass stuff" is the pinnacle of many Shaman's aspirations, Ogre is popular because at that very end stage the Ogre racial is useful and the Troll/Iksar racial isn't. It has nothing to do with which one can be used more often, and everything to do with having the most useful ability at the "pinnacle" moments.

Now, personally I don't buy that argument (as evidenced by my polar bear hat), but I'm just saying, you can't dismiss Ogre as being about "a few moments" because there's a huge difference between the easy fight against a blue when you are leveling and the insanely hard fight that you do at the very end of your career.

You dismissed my advice to not base your choice on a "few moments" by citing an incredibly unlikely endgame for almost all people who would be asking themselves which race shaman to be.

Pick your class based on leveling to 60, buying a spell for 100k plat, and raiding the gear to get you to a point where your stun immunity advantage gives you a special achievement text in a video game OOOOOOORRRRRR you can regen a bunch of HPs 100% of the time you play no matter what you end up doing.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by phro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You dismissed my advice to not base your choice on a "few moments" by citing an incredibly unlikely endgame for almost all people who would be asking themselves which race shaman to be.

troll regen is 100% useless until "highly unlikely endgame"

look at the graph below. it doesnt even really kick in until lvl 51+

if i had to choose if i want frontal stun 1-60 or slightly better regen 51+ it's a no brainer

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