Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time - Page 4

quido · #31 03-10-2015, 05:06 PM

Blue is now known as Maggotquest

Loke · #32 03-10-2015, 05:11 PM

I can get behind more transparency, I just think increasing the punishment is akin to trying to win the war on drugs by sending people to jail for 25 years for their third possession charge. Hard to make the punishment fit the crime when the crime itself ambiguously defined due to numerous revisions and non-uniform interpretation.

toolshed · #33 03-10-2015, 05:16 PM

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fuck that, i like the 2 strike method.

fuck up once, get a warning. fuck up the same way again and get banned.

On live, did anyone remember a guild punishment that was as weak as a 5 day ban? Honestly.

One of the big questions that I think is being posed in this thread is, why do we have such a problem with lawyerquesting on P99? I think the answer, and one of the biggest differences between live/retail and P99, is GM involvement. With GMs being involved less, and fines/punishments being more heavy, it made guilds get along rather than go tattle on one another to the GMs as fast as possible.

None of the raiding problems in Everquest and P99 - VP mob positions, guilds engaging without training one another, first to engage mobs - are new. None of them. Why act that way? Nobody is breaking new grounds here. We should enact some of the safeguards that live/retail had and stop using ignorance as an excuse. We, the playerbase, have been around too long for that excuse.

Jizzebel · #34 03-10-2015, 05:17 PM

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BDA work within the rules, so it would mean more pixels for sure.

Spoon it up.

How about you fix your signature tool

XnderXcore · #35 03-10-2015, 05:28 PM

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How about you fix your signature tool

Is that all?

Frieza_Prexus · #36 03-10-2015, 05:30 PM

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If Guild A and Guild B were both facing 4 week suspensions, they are more likely to work things out between themselves due to fear of GM intervention; transparency of the length of raid suspensions means a more honest dialogue.

The is certainly true to an extent, though you would see a fair amount of "madman" game theory strategies. We're already seeing that now. However, it would not be good policy to hand out 4 week suspensions for minor accidents. The rules need differentiation and fairness throughout the entire process. Public petitions would really help accomplish what you're looking for.

winko · #37 03-10-2015, 05:54 PM

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You don't have to be a doctor to diagnose a sickness, you know that.

^^Stupidest comment of this whole thread. Med schools exist for a reason.

Varren · #38 03-10-2015, 06:08 PM

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^^Stupidest comment of this whole thread. Med schools exist for a reason.

My son has a cold. I once had chickenpox!

August · #39 03-10-2015, 06:40 PM

This thread is the reason I looked at the raid scene 2 years ago, and said, nope! I've been a hardcore EQ raider before in my life, but this is not the place for it. I really struggle to even understand the point of the loot treadmill in a stagnant MMO. If you can kill VP mobs you can get gear to... kill VP mobs?

Epic mobs I get - everyone wants their cool pixel-epic. But just, well-statted gear? What for? What do you want to do with it? Raid more VP? You can already raid VP... Sweet items that let you... farm items for alts? Just make an alt!

In actual progression MMOs you raid to be ready for the next tier. There is no new tier here. You're doing it just to do it. How someone can sit down for 4+ years killing the same 32k dragons just.. it's mind-boggling. And the rules and the heartache and the gnashing of teeth, please folks, take a good look at yourself and ask, why am I a pumpkin?

Paleman · #40 03-10-2015, 06:44 PM

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On live, did anyone remember a guild punishment that was as weak as a 5 day ban? Honestly.

One of the big questions that I think is being posed in this thread is, why do we have such a problem with lawyerquesting on P99? I think the answer, and one of the biggest differences between live/retail and P99, is GM involvement. With GMs being involved less, and fines/punishments being more heavy, it made guilds get along rather than go tattle on one another to the GMs as fast as possible.

None of the raiding problems in Everquest and P99 - VP mob positions, guilds engaging without training one another, first to engage mobs - are new. None of them. Why act that way? Nobody is breaking new grounds here. We should enact some of the safeguards that live/retail had and stop using ignorance as an excuse. We, the playerbase, have been around too long for that excuse.

this is the most obvious problem here. Its almost as if the GMs are afraid to punish people for things that they do( I wouldnt honestly know why, if TMO, or IB were disbanded its not like no top tier guild would be raiding and people wouldn't find a home). We are all over 20 now at the least if we play this game. When we were kids we learned how to bypass or tolerate punishment, when we got used to that we leveraged the punishment against the action that warranted it. Guilds on p99 do the same thing. They know that the punishment is simple and tolerable. I would go as far as saying they probably at times discuss the possibility of punishment and even nominate people specifically to break rules at times.

I really think 2 strikes is the way to go. we all have played this game before, we cant really rationalize camp stealing, and other heinous things here. One mistake and then after that you lose that account. Maybe a guild should get a max of 3 strikes before being forced to disband but thats it. Consequences are supposed to be real, and felt. They are supposed to teach someone not to make the same mistake twice. When people break the rules more than once, they are literally saying " fuck the rules, fuck who made them, and fuck who enforces them"

I think a good reason that live was more punishing about stuff that is allowed here is because they knew that people were addicted, and would come back, probably pay for the expansions again and they would still get money out of that person even if they were banned. Maybe its possible the GMs worry about exiling parts of their community? For what I wouldnt know, unless they get something out of the bad parts of this community.