Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

[Daldaen]

Or maybe... The pulls people do are so ridiculous that there are so many things which could possibly go wrong and result in training the other guild(s) present that *MAYBE* we shouldn't try those tactics. *MAYBE* training the entire zone spawn in Hate, Fear, VP, Naggys Lair, Permafrost... Is something that should have high risk associated with it, not simply shrugged off as "it is the way those encounters are".

Make someone wiping you with their botched train in Hate or Fear or on classic Dragons a 4 week suspension. You will see guilds be a lot more careful or come up with a new strategy real quick.

Would love to see some classic crawls, not herpderp trains.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe... The pulls people do are so ridiculous that there are so many things which could possibly go wrong and result in training the other guild(s) present that *MAYBE* we shouldn't try those tactics. *MAYBE* training the entire zone spawn in Hate, Fear, VP, Naggys Lair, Permafrost... Is something that should have high risk associated with it, not simply shrugged off as "it is the way those encounters are".

Make someone wiping you with their botched train in Hate or Fear or on classic Dragons a 4 week suspension. You will see guilds be a lot more careful or come up with a new strategy real quick.

Would love to see some classic crawls, not herpderp trains.

Have you ever led a raid?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever led a raid?

So to you, only raid leaders can have an opinion on this topic? I think only people whose names start with O should be listened to.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to you, only raid leaders can have an opinion on this topic? I think only people whose names start with O should be listened to.

Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

You don't have to be a doctor to diagnose a sickness, you know that.

The TMO/IB raid strat is win/win. Either you get the kill or you've created such a shitshow train that it's likely to wipe the competition too so you get a 2nd bite.

[winko]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to be a doctor to diagnose a sickness, you know that.

^^Stupidest comment of this whole thread. Med schools exist for a reason.

[Varren]

Originally Posted by winko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^Stupidest comment of this whole thread. Med schools exist for a reason.

My son has a cold. I once had chickenpox!

[Triangle]

double post

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

Pretty sure Orruar was the raid leader of Triality way back in Classic EQ...

[wycca]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure Orruar was the raid leader of Triality way back in Classic EQ...

Yes and guild leader. Damn good at it, and probably best player I've seen in the game. Different era's though, Triality didn't really form until PoP. He has some experience from our time together in A-Team on P99, including as raid leader, but not really sure of his grasp on the current dynamics behind Class C and the new FFA Class R (and Class R is going to end up worse petition-wise than C in short order).

Orr - if you want to discuss it with me sometime toss me an email or login.


Also, if anyone thinks that the # of bans has anything to do with the # of infractions and rule breaks they're sadly mistaken. All sort of things happen, from negotiations in advance, to some stuff being tossed aside for lack of evidence, stuff being combined, stuff being seperated, etc. One thing P99 is bad at is setting any sort of rule precidents - it's all subject to change. You can govern on a GM side 2 ways - from a judicial approach with precedents and standard punishments, or from an Arbiter perspective, with things changing based on each situation, variables unknown to anyone except maybe petitioning guilds, and various dynamics. Sirken tends to use the latter, not the former. This proposal might work in the former, but does not work in the latter. For better or worse P99 uses an arbiter setup instead of a judicial setup.