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[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I am just an idiot but why are two smaller guilds not joining together to fight Holocaust and once they have to call LnS the two other guilds just fight each other to determine who gets the mob?

Why should the smaller guilds be smashing their heads against the #1 guild so that Azrael can come in and snipe their members and absorb them after they burn out?

The ideal gameplan for any smaller guild is to AVOID clashing against the top dog and doing planar clears/dungeons while having the fun pvp contesting with the smaller guilds over things like Ragefire.

I don't think Holo has reached tyrant proportions like other top guilds tbh... we just need more SIM REPOPS because everything is spread out allowing the top guild to farm everything on respawn...

[Gitem]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why should the smaller guilds be smashing their heads against the #1 guild so that Azrael can come in and snipe their members and absorb them after they burn out?

The ideal gameplan for any smaller guild is to AVOID clashing against the top dog and doing planar clears/dungeons while having the fun pvp contesting with the smaller guilds over things like Ragefire.

I don't think Holo has reached tyrant proportions like other top guilds tbh... we just need more SIM REPOPS because everything is spread out allowing the top guild to farm everything on respawn...

I don't see an end to holocaust (largest guild on the server) raiding ragefire. They also do planar raids and pretty much any mini boss. so yeah, they have reached tyrant proportions. They have an ally with us while we take your members or you aren't raiding anything worth gathering more than 6 players strategy going and the blues just want to get their bis and leave.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Gitem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see an end to holocaust (largest guild on the server) raiding ragefire. They also do planar raids and pretty much any mini boss. so yeah, they have reached tyrant proportions. They have an ally with us while we take your members or you aren't raiding anything worth gathering more than 6 players strategy going and the blues just want to get their bis and leave.

The ever revolving door of R99... I really wish everyone that came to R99 stuck around, we would all be having a ball right now!

Sux a few really toxic and outspoken players make it bad for everyone else!

RIP Greybeard! Was hoping he would be bringing some of them aussies from blue, but that dream is dwindling by the day!

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why should the smaller guilds be smashing their heads against the #1 guild so that Azrael can come in and snipe their members and absorb them after they burn out?

The ideal gameplan for any smaller guild is to AVOID clashing against the top dog and doing planar clears/dungeons while having the fun pvp contesting with the smaller guilds over things like Ragefire.

I don't think Holo has reached tyrant proportions like other top guilds tbh... we just need more SIM REPOPS because everything is spread out allowing the top guild to farm everything on respawn...

I may be misunderstanding the point of being a smaller guild on a red server then. I thought they wanted to be small because they value members who are much better than average players. I think a pvp alliance that ends once the biggest guild calls LnS would be favorable for both small guilds. They get to push the zerg guild out of zone and then fight the other guild for the mob. If these smaller guilds claim to be smaller because they want individual skill to matter more then it only makes sense that they would want to do something like this. If two small guilds have 20 players each with superior skill than the members of the zerg they would easily dominate as one force and then can split the alliance and fight again. I don't see how this would bleed members if you gave an accurate statement to your members of your intentions as a guild. I think you are a shitty officer if you are not making sure your members are all on the same page regarding your guilds goals.

I get a bit annoyed at seeing people complain about the zerg on this server. My guild on blue was created to avoid zerging encounters and all our members know what to expect. We enjoy playing with each other and not just lusting for the pixels. You are building your guild wrong if people are leaving for other guilds. There is an obvious and easy solution in front of you. Bitching about wanting variance is lazy when there are other guilds on the server you could create this alliance with. It's not even hard to contest when everyone knows exactly when the mobs spawn.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I may be misunderstanding the point of being a smaller guild on a red server then. I thought they wanted to be small because they value members who are much better than average players. I think a pvp alliance that ends once the biggest guild calls LnS would be favorable for both small guilds. They get to push the zerg guild out of zone and then fight the other guild for the mob. If these smaller guilds claim to be smaller because they want individual skill to matter more then it only makes sense that they would want to do something like this. If two small guilds have 20 players each with superior skill than the members of the zerg they would easily dominate as one force and then can split the alliance and fight again. I don't see how this would bleed members if you gave an accurate statement to your members of your intentions as a guild. I think you are a shitty officer if you are not making sure your members are all on the same page regarding your guilds goals.

I get a bit annoyed at seeing people complain about the zerg on this server. My guild on blue was created to avoid zerging encounters and all our members know what to expect. We enjoy playing with each other and not just lusting for the pixels. You are building your guild wrong if people are leaving for other guilds. There is an obvious and easy solution in front of you. Bitching about wanting variance is lazy when there are other guilds on the server you could create this alliance with. It's not even hard to contest when everyone knows exactly when the mobs spawn.

it's pretty obvious you don't understand red and you're probably sub level 50.

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's pretty obvious you don't understand red and you're probably sub level 50.

Trying to though. Help me out with where I went wrong in my thinking.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to though. Help me out with where I went wrong in my thinking.

nothing wrong with your thinking at all, tbh. ideals and reality are different beasts

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to though. Help me out with where I went wrong in my thinking.

Skill does matter, but if you are outnumbered 2:3 to 1 by close to BIS level 60s, you stand no chance.

Even if 1/3 of the players in the zerg are clicking an assist macro and a pumice, while doing nothing else; the team with more bodies generally wins. This change in Velious when there is gear saturation and characters end up having 2-3X the hp of the walmart geared equivalent. It then becomes a game of gear/player retention and well-established guild vs revolving door zergs.

Holocaust is a combination of a well-established guild and a zerg, which is why it is really an unstoppable force, just like Nihilum was.