End of the rotation?

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Absolution [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never see any FFA target killed by BDA (except few one with simulated repop).

I'm not talking about FFA mobs when Class C is competing as well. Of Course BDA could not hack that.

I'm talking about killing other guilds Class R mobs instead of adhering to a rotation. Could you reliably race BDA AND Taken for a chance at Trakanon?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not talking about FFA mobs when Class C is competing as well. Of Course BDA could not hack that.

I'm talking about killing other guilds Class R mobs instead of adhering to a rotation. Could you reliably race BDA AND Taken for a chance at Trakanon?

BDA does not do FFA mobs, which is why they are so interested in squeezing the rotation. It's also why their threats to go rogue ring so hollow.

Taken does FFA mobs with reasonable success, but they have not done FFA Trakanon.

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA does not do FFA mobs, which is why they are so interested in squeezing the rotation. It's also why their threats to go rogue ring so hollow.

Taken does FFA mobs with reasonable success, but they have not done FFA Trakanon.

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

Thanks for the explanation.

Do you think BDA doesn't go after FFA mobs due to competition with class C? or because they don't have the motivation/manpower?

If they did go rogue do you think they could compete on Class R mobs outside of rotation while still ignoring FFA mobs that would draw them into competition with Class C

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think BDA doesn't go after FFA mobs due to competition with class C? or because they don't have the motivation/manpower?

It's mostly just a question of EV - if there is an FFA window that lines up well with our member's primetimes, we will track/log out for it.

We never poopsock for Trak/VS if Class C is involved though, we don't have the manpower (ie having 1-2 groups logged in poopsocking vs 1 tracker + 1 bard ready to FTE) to realistically compete with what Class C is willing to bring to bear.

[Ninjax]

BDA had largely been the seeming puppet of the smaller guilds and this resulted in a rotation that was created on their terms and served their purposes (getting loot). BDA has thankfully seen through this manipulation and proposed something that would actually reward competition and competence while still protecting a guild from having to poopsock.

The result was predictable. The smaller guilds who had claimed they were not in it for loot (while creating a rotation that gave them the more loot due to how alliances work) complained that this now gives them less loot while chastising BDA for wanting more loot. The hypocrisy is not lost even if some are deluding themselves about their motivations. This delusion goes so far as that some guilds have simply decided to pretend the former rotation is still in play and that not coming to terms with the offer on the table means that they will get perhaps 1/20th of the mobs they did before.

If this is what they desire then so be it, if this is what their reality-averse brains cannot begin to comprehend - so be it. Reality is a harsh mistress and cares not for what fantasies of how she operates you've constructed because they are comfortable to believe.

BDA, Taken, and Divinity shall rule class R as the Trinity. As it has been proclaimed so shall it be.

[Tiggles]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

Originally Posted by Anonymous Taken Officer

I pointed this out in FAP that BDA had been mostly siding with the smaller guilds and that the only real power they had was the social manipulation in which they appealed to image. This has now failed with BDA and as such there is no power broker on their side. They have no cards left to play so it is is either work within the limits the big three want or find out how quickly you won't get anything because although we don't want to sock hard - we will if pushed. I think our trak kill was a good demonstration of that where we socked 77 people for 6+ hours on a mob that was ours by rotation. We didn't need to - but we did and we can do that again and again and again and again.

I think some really don't understand what not having a rotation would mean for them because it is an issue of convenience for us but an issue of necessity for them.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

That's not from anyone in Taken. The coherent sentences are a dead give away.

[Amra]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just received a PM from an officer of Taken, Due to my journalistic integrity I will not reveal my sources but it looks like BDA is actually a very minor player in the Class R scene.

Sounds like Taken needs to setup to Class C with those socking numbers!!

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My prediction at this point is that R ends up being a roughly 4-way tie: Gimpatron, Taken, AG/Asgard/Europa/MC, BDA/Divinity.

You've left out <Idiots, Savages>