The plight of the Kagatob

[loramin]

P.S. Just to clarify, I in no way mean to diminish or reduce the experience of men who get raped. Rape is horribly damaging when it happens to anyone, male or female, and all rape should be condemned regardless of the gender of the victim.

[Cecily]

Prison rape, and I'm willing to bet that happens ALOT more often and is taken far less seriously.

[loramin]

Right, prison rape is horrible, it's significance is totally under appreciated, and it's almost entirely preventable. It's a black mark on our society that we allow it to continue.

But all that being said, the amount of women who report (report! many women don't even report rapes) is at least 1 in 4. Not that many men are even in prison.

[Cecily]

Well you're talking number of women. If a guy is getting raped in prison, that's probably gonna happen during his whole sentence. So you might be right on people who get raped, but number of rapings... Guys might have the edge. It's not a contest. It's just bad period.

[paulgiamatti]

The prison rape argument holds no water. I mean, I'm no lady's man or anything, but all the women I've known have had to deal with rape. It's either been directly committed upon them, or they've had to deal with it indirectly by seeking ways to avoid it or by having to console someone who was raped.

My sister has been raped multiple times. Most of my ex-girlfriends have been raped. I'm not trying to say that the women I know are the norm or anything, but do you guys even try to get to know women at all on any level? To me it seems like this topic, because it's such a rampant and repeated occurrence, is completely unavoidable if you have known any woman beyond the merest, most shallow emotional level.

Saying that prison rape even begins to compare to the culture of rape that every single woman has to deal with whether they were designated female at birth, or transsexual, or transgender is more than just missing the point. It's patently absurd and offensive, and beyond ignorant.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But all that being said, the amount of women who report (report! many women don't even report rapes) is at least 1 in 4.

Can you show where you get this number? Certainly that many aren't being reported to the police, and I'm having a hard time finding where this number comes from.

According to this website (https://www.rainn.org/statistics), who gets their data from massive surveys, there are about 300k victims of sexual assaults (victims, not just reports) each year. For the sake of argument, let's assume that all of those are women and all of them are different from year to year. Let's also assume that all rapes happen to women between 10 and 40, which is probably true in 95%+ of cases. There are ~60M women in the US between 10 and 40. So each year, 0.5% of them are raped. 99.5% are not. 0.995^30 = .860. So that means a woman should have a roughly 14% of being assaulted during her prime years. And it's going to be lower than that in reality when you factor in women who are assaulted in multiple years and that some of the victims are men. It's probably closer to single digits, 1 in 10 or 1 in 8 at most. It's still way too many, but using incorrect statistics like 1 in 4 doesn't help things. It's better to be more accurate and honest so that others can't use your fictitious statistics against you.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The prison rape argument holds no water. I mean, I'm no lady's man or anything, but all the women I've known have had to deal with rape. It's either been directly committed upon them, or they've had to deal with it indirectly by seeking ways to avoid it or by having to console someone who was raped.

My sister has been raped multiple times. Most of my ex-girlfriends have been raped. I'm not trying to say that the women I know are the norm or anything, but do you guys even try to get to know women at all on any level? To me it seems like this topic, because it's such a rampant and repeated occurrence, is completely unavoidable if you have known any woman beyond the merest, most shallow emotional level.

Saying that prison rape even begins to compare to the culture of rape that every single woman has to deal with whether they were designated female at birth, or transsexual, or transgender is more than just missing the point. It's patently absurd and offensive, and beyond ignorant.

Your sample probably has more to do with the kind of girls you hang out with. Of the half dozen or so women currently in my life at any close level, only one has been raped. Also, having to "deal with it indirectly by seeking to avoid it" is not exactly an action unique to sexual assault. We all take actions to minimize risk of crime in our lives. We put locks on our doors, install security systems, don't drive in certain areas of town at night, etc. Just as a woman wouldn't walk home alone from a bar through a bad part of town, neither would a guy who didn't want to get mugged.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, let's stay on your crazy rape statistic. Depending on which study you go by, either 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 American women will either be raped or have someone attempt to rape them at some point in their life. Even if 100% of men in prison got raped (which they don't), 25% of all men are not in prison.

So please, show me where you got this crazy idea that more men get raped than women.

0.7% = 1 in 3.
Thank you for illustrating how divorced from reality you are.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The prison rape argument holds no water. I mean, I'm no lady's man or anything, but all the women I've known have had to deal with rape. It's either been directly committed upon them, or they've had to deal with it indirectly by seeking ways to avoid it or by having to console someone who was raped.

My sister has been raped multiple times. Most of my ex-girlfriends have been raped. I'm not trying to say that the women I know are the norm or anything, but do you guys even try to get to know women at all on any level? To me it seems like this topic, because it's such a rampant and repeated occurrence, is completely unavoidable if you have known any woman beyond the merest, most shallow emotional level.

Saying that prison rape even begins to compare to the culture of rape that every single woman has to deal with whether they were designated female at birth, or transsexual, or transgender is more than just missing the point. It's patently absurd and offensive, and beyond ignorant.

Anecdotes and weasel words.

I'm sorry women have to do things to keep them safer that contributes to this "rape culture" the modern feminists have created. Men do things every day to ensure they aren't killed, where's muh murder culture? Teach people not to murder!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But all that being said, the amount of women who report (report! many women don't even report rapes) is at least 1 in 4.

You actually believe this, don't you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Don't look both ways when crossing the street, you're contributing to murder culture every time you do. Don't teach your kids not to talk to strangers, it contributes to kidnapping culture.

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your sample probably has more to do with the kind of girls you hang out with. Of the half dozen or so women currently in my life at any close level, only one has been raped. Also, having to "deal with it indirectly by seeking to avoid it" is not exactly an action unique to sexual assault. We all take actions to minimize risk of crime in our lives. We put locks on our doors, install security systems, don't drive in certain areas of town at night, etc. Just as a woman wouldn't walk home alone from a bar through a bad part of town, neither would a guy who didn't want to get mugged.

Careful there, you're stepping on a land mine. It's not ok for a man to speak about or for women unless it's strictly from a feminist perspective.