Guild Mentalities

[Odeseus]

Few things come to mind.

1) You want people who will stick around. Let's face it, if you spend all the hours needed to hit 46+, you will not suddenly abandon that character. At a lower level, say 20, it is much more likely to reroll something else and/or not stick around.

2) Along those same lines, you don't want to invest time, energy and possibly loot/plat to a toon that won't stick around. There isn't much that is quite as frustrating as helping someone out to get uber_item_x for them to just leave the guild or simply stop playing because they aren't having much fun in p99.

3) You want good players. It doesn't take much to get to say, level 20. It isn't easy but you don't have to be a great player to manage it. Particularly for classes like mages. However, level 46+ is definitely not easy to do. If you can manage that, chances are high that you at least kind of know your class/know how to play/are at least an average player.

4) You want want to avoid players with bad reputations. If you are a low level and are a complete ass, chances are high that only a few people know you and know you're someone to be avoided. At level 46+, you are much more likely to be known to a greater portion of the server (for good or bad). And at that level, guilds are much less likely to tag someone who will hurt their reputation on this server. In a small community like this, rep matters.

5) *for raid guilds only* For raiding guilds, they want someone who will actually raid and be useful in said raids. Until about 46, you are more or less useless (although this is just an assumption on my part, since I'm not part of a raid guild, nor am I anywhere close to 46). No reason to tag lower levels if they can't help you in raids anyway.

These are just the reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why you would put a high level requirement on applications. I understand and agree that there should be more lower level guilds, but there are a few out there and you should try them out.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Odeseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Few things come to mind.

1) You want people who will stick around. Let's face it, if you spend all the hours needed to hit 46+, you will not suddenly abandon that character. At a lower level, say 20, it is much more likely to reroll something else and/or not stick around.

2) Along those same lines, you don't want to invest time, energy and possibly loot/plat to a toon that won't stick around. There isn't much that is quite as frustrating as helping someone out to get uber_item_x for them to just leave the guild or simply stop playing because they aren't having much fun in p99.

3) You want good players. It doesn't take much to get to say, level 20. It isn't easy but you don't have to be a great player to manage it. Particularly for classes like mages. However, level 46+ is definitely not easy to do. If you can manage that, chances are high that you at least kind of know your class/know how to play/are at least an average player.

4) You want want to avoid players with bad reputations. If you are a low level and are a complete ass, chances are high that only a few people know you and know you're someone to be avoided. At level 46+, you are much more likely to be known to a greater portion of the server (for good or bad). And at that level, guilds are much less likely to tag someone who will hurt their reputation on this server. In a small community like this, rep matters.

5) *for raid guilds only* For raiding guilds, they want someone who will actually raid and be useful in said raids. Until about 46, you are more or less useless (although this is just an assumption on my part, since I'm not part of a raid guild, nor am I anywhere close to 46). No reason to tag lower levels if they can't help you in raids anyway.

These are just the reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why you would put a high level requirement on applications. I understand and agree that there should be more lower level guilds, but there are a few out there and you should try them out.

He hit the nail on the head there.

If your under 46 in a raiding guild, you can come sit with them for naggy and vox, but thats about it. if your a wizard or a druid, you can help with mobilization, but unless your a good friend of someones, why risk it or take the hassle?

You would be extremely surprised how well you can get to know people in a raid situation of 40+. In a raiding guild, good players can watch other players and tell pretty immediately if they are good, bad, or in between. People also talk on raids, and its part of what keeps it fun. If you sit there and are shy the whole time, you won't make any friends and you will sit there raiding monotonously. You have no idea how many friends I've made on raids just saying something stupid or funny and chatting about it for awhile.

The bad reputation thing is a serious concern. On a server like this, reputation means everything and a lot of us older players remember what happened and who said/did what back when fear was being contested, Naggy was being trained for, and when hate opened as well. So when you think of it like that, not much of anything is forgotten, and I imagine in a small community like this (although I expect it to grow with kunark through velious) a lot of people will remember a lot of what you do/say and what you post on the forums.

TLDR: Sorry for the wall of text, but there are guilds out there that invite you 1-50 and then raid, but you don't see many of them contesting for spawns in the planes/dragons. It's a different mentality that you have to adopt and accept, or just be the type of person to be a part of it. He hit everything perfectly.

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a raiding guild, good players can watch other players and tell pretty immediately if they are good, bad, or in between

thats why we didn't invite taluvill OH SNAP


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[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats why we didn't invite taluvill OH SNAP


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= ) Much love bro, I ain't hatin.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He hit the nail on the head there.

If your under 46 in a raiding guild, you can come sit with them for naggy and vox, but thats about it. if your a wizard or a druid, you can help with mobilization, but unless your a good friend of someones, why risk it or take the hassle?

You would be extremely surprised how well you can get to know people in a raid situation of 40+. In a raiding guild, good players can watch other players and tell pretty immediately if they are good, bad, or in between. People also talk on raids, and its part of what keeps it fun. If you sit there and are shy the whole time, you won't make any friends and you will sit there raiding monotonously. You have no idea how many friends I've made on raids just saying something stupid or funny and chatting about it for awhile.

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I think you missed the point of the OPs message. He wants to join the guild at a lower level so he can get to know people and group up and level with their alts etc. If they are only willing to accept you at the highest levels there isn't really much time to establish a relationship or anything. Sure he wouldn't be able to assist on Planes raids or Vox or Naggy kills but during downtime, which I am sure there is a lot of since raid targets are killed as they spawn, he would like to be able to group with their alts.

I had a somewhat similar situation happen to me. I leveled to 46ish and wanted to get to know some raid guilds. I didn't want to apply anywhere when I was lower level because I am pretty particular about guilds I join and I like to stick it out with the guild I join. I sent some tells to some guild recruiters and wanted to get in on a couple raids with them to get to know them. Some of the smaller raid guilds had no problem taking me on a raid or two to get to know me and some others said I had to apply before they would "get to know me".

I ended up getting a temp tag by one of the guilds I raided with for communication purposes and someone from another guild acted like I just betrayed him. Apparently, raiding with multiple guilds to see which is the best fit isn't how I am supposed to conduct myself. I am sorry, if your guild requires me to apply just so I can get to know you I am going to look elsewhere, at least at first.

I was going to start popping into forums to try and get in on some groups with these guilds so I could get to know people but I think at 50 there isn't much grouping going on and it would is mainly pharming or leveling alts.

I probably should have just joined a guild when I was lower level and grew with that guild. I didn't expect drama over this.

/rant off

Yitro - 47 Wizard

[Odeseus]

These are just the reasons I can think of off the top of my head as to why you would put a high level requirement on applications. I understand and agree that there should be more lower level guilds, but there are a few out there and you should try them out.

I merely gave reasons why there are level requirements. I actually agree with the OP's larger point that there should be more options for lower level people. If I wasn't a mage and able to solo my way up to this point, I don't know how I would have been able to stand not having someone to talk to, to get help from and to group with. Particularly if your first toon is a melee, you kinda need a guild.

I'm level 34 now and still guildless, mainly because I know that once I join a guild, I probably won't be leaving unless all hell breaks loose. I'm stupidly loyal like that and I know it. So I know that if I join a lower end guild that would actually accept me at 34, I know I will want to leave to raid with some of the big boys eventually. And I don't want to "betray" the lower level guild by leaving. So I create for myself a catch-22.

So right now I'm avoiding making any decisions until I'm closer to 50 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]