Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the staff chooses to implement rotations then, yes, much of this is moot. However, they have not done so; we must acknowledge the reality of the situation.

You say that we'd just "figure out other ways to game the system." That's how it's supposed to work; when a loophole is abused, it is closed. It's poor argument to say we shouldnt make A better because B might be abused. Progress has to start somewhere. Things have never been better here, honestly. There are fewer incidents overall, and low end guilds have meaningful participation in raid content. That doesn't mean we should stop trying.

The staff doesn't have to force rotations to have them happen. Rotations aren't forced in Class R, that's just how the majority would rather play. For all you're trying to do, this is really just a 2 guild problem. So, talk to that other guild and deal with it. Isn't that why there's a guild discussion board in the first place?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff doesn't have to force rotations to have them happen. Rotations aren't forced in Class R, that's just how the majority would rather play. For all you're trying to do, this is really just a 2 guild problem. So, talk to that other guild and deal with it. Isn't that why there's a guild discussion board in the first place?

FFA? There are more than 2 guilds and if the others guilds don't need to petition then why are they worrying about it at all?

[MaksimMazor]

Can we break ground on the P99 Capitol Building?

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occupy cshome

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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FFA? There are more than 2 guilds and if the others guilds don't need to petition then why are they worrying about it at all?

Still pretty clear where the root of the problem lies. FFA is a testament to that, the petitions and bullshit only happen when dealing with a certain class.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by AceDSilva [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much stupidity in this post, it's amazing, but at the same time not really.

Hi Ace,

To clarify my first point, fixing "A" here does not break "B". My example was that multiple holes currently exist and that we should not be afraid to start somewhere when fixing problems. It's like saying we shouldnt fix a broken arm because then we'll notice how much our broken pinky is also hurting.

Secondly, please focus on the merits of the issues themselves and not their origins. My guild tag and posting history have nothing to do with the worthiness of my comments. It's certainly fine that you disagree, but perhaps you'll be heard more clearly if you spend more time making a point and less effort on typing the word "fuck."

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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's certainly fine that you disagree, but perhaps you'll be heard more clearly if you spend more time making a point and less effort on typing the word "fuck."

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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because they allow it and foster it.

IMO they should go draconian.

Uthgaard 2016.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Dizey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read the whole thread, but sounds like petitions will just turn into a "who has the best spin team" match.

I meant to address this earlier, but better Nate than lever. This will not be the case. This is not about lawyering or spinning. This proposal decreases "spin" by decreasing the opportunity to do so; it limits all petitions to a single document of VERY concise and direct argument. It forces all parties to put everything out there at once while the decision maker decides. There is no back and forth. Currently, petitions suffer from two major problems:

1) There is no organization; communications happen behind people's backs. This means that people are not given answers, evidence, and sometimes aren't even told what violation they're being charged with! This isn't malicious; it's a result of poor organization.

Public raid petitions means that all information and evidence MUST be submitted before hand so that the GM can take a single look at it without having to go back and forth losing information in the shuffle.

2) There is a lack of accountability for those that abuse the system. Public petitions force frivolous petitions and poor rulings into sight, and it helps prevent such abuses. Additionally, public access prevents even the appearance of bias or impropriety on the part of the decision makers. Preserving the dignity of the process is nearly as important as preserving the integrity of the process, and public access does both.