shit's goin down!

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't always believe this myself. I do now. I see how things get manipulated in there when we "Try to do the right thing". It ends up hurting us a lot following the rules when the other guild decides to manipulate aggro to gain a petitionable offense

That's some good hypocrisy right there. Little peek into how your brain works, "We lost and didn't break any rules, so they must be breaking rules all the time and getting away with it! Now anything that I do is justified!"

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by DetroitVelvetSmooth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's some good hypocrisy right there. Little peek into how your brain works, "We lost and didn't break any rules, so they must be breaking rules all the time and getting away with it! Now anything that I do is justified!"

Ask how many times something I did got petitioned. My whistle is clean sir. Ask any of my guildies. I always say "We have to bow out of this mob" at the slightest hint something we did was wrong. I don't bend rules to get a competitive edge. I don't spend time manipulating aggro of mobs to add them to another guilds pull. That is what makes this crap become a headache. We see where they do it and we because of our guild tag...Get a finger pointed at us.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't spend time manipulating aggro of mobs to add them to another guilds pull.

Yeah this game sure can be a time sink!

[Snizatcher]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask how many times something I did got petitioned. My whistle is clean sir. Ask any of my guildies. I always say "We have to bow out of this mob" at the slightest hint something we did was wrong. I don't bend rules to get a competitive edge. I don't spend time manipulating aggro of mobs to add them to another guilds pull. That is what makes this crap become a headache. We see where they do it and we because of our guild tag...Get a finger pointed at us.

You need to understand you're not the only one on your team. I haven't had many interactions with TMO or IB since the rotation. But before it, I have some pretty shitty memories of doing vox and having a raid force ready to engage and being trained by a female monk over and over to give TMO time to get more people into Perma. She even had the nerve to explain how proud she was of her actions. She was given a much deserved short vacation. That is a reflection on her. However, it is the thought that she was proud of what she was doing because it was helping her guilds chances that rubbed me the wrong way. I had never experienced that kind of shit before. No one is faultless or special here. However, now it only really happens between C guilds or at FFA targets. That means there is one common denominator in each of these equations that I will let you figure out.

That is what Chest keeps trying to stress. Not that there is some evil empire or some grand conspiracy, that's Anthrax's job. The shit we all complain about, even TMO and IB comes from the toxic nature of FFA targets. How that makes him crazy or hypocritical I will never understand.

Everytime IB or TMO petitions or fraps the other guild training or doing something "against the rules" and complains about it, you are further proving his point. Not your own.

The red guys are 100% right. This isn't a problem on red because there are inherent mechanics that just don't allow for this to happen. It doesn't fix the problem of having one PvE guild dominating the server for a long time (nihilum) so that servers mechanics are far from perfect.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Snizatcher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to understand you're not the only one on your team. I haven't had many interactions with TMO or IB since the rotation. But before it, I have some pretty shitty memories of doing vox and having a raid force ready to engage and being trained by a female monk over and over to give TMO time to get more people into Perma. She even had the nerve to explain how proud she was of her actions. She was given a much deserved short vacation. That is a reflection on her. However, it is the thought that she was proud of what she was doing because it was helping her guilds chances that rubbed me the wrong way. I had never experienced that kind of shit before. No one is faultless or special here. However, now it only really happens between C guilds or at FFA targets. That means there is one common denominator in each of these equations that I will let you figure out.

Who is this female TMO monk? Did you tell a TMO officer?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is this female TMO monk? Did you tell a TMO officer?

the word "duh" comes to mind

[Snizatcher]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is this female TMO monk? Did you tell a TMO officer?

This was a long time ago. Well over a year ago. Almost two at this point. She was never removed from the guild. I feel like the name started with a Dina... something? Doesn't matter. It's not something I believe any guild would encourage their members to do. What was more frightening was the fact that it was an action that the person was proud to do to help their guild. Once again, I am not saying there aren't people like that in every guild. I am just saying the competitive nature of that tier of raiding certainly rewards people that don't get caught for that type of behavior.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Snizatcher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was a long time ago. Well over a year ago. Almost two at this point. She was never removed from the guild. I feel like the name started with a Dina... something? Doesn't matter. It's not something I believe any guild would encourage their members to do. What was more frightening was the fact that it was an action that the person was proud to do to help their guild. Once again, I am not saying there aren't people like that in every guild. I am just saying the competitive nature of that tier of raiding certainly rewards people that don't get caught for that type of behavior.

You do realize BDA has been known to train people and to exploit also even once warned what they are doing is exploiting? Hell Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill and Rais/Bisch repeatedly trained and memblurd exploited mobs in VP just to spite us. They were super proud.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill

dumpster diving anthrax taking an axe about to rot is now stealing? /twist

[Snizatcher]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize BDA has been known to train people and to exploit also even once warned what they are doing is exploiting? Hell Anthrax stole loot from a VP kill and Rais/Bisch repeatedly trained and memblurd exploited mobs in VP just to spite us. They were super proud.

We can name something a person has done in every guild that has ever raided on this server. VP pre-CS intervention was a shit show of epic proportions. It's just the point that every time you /petition IB or IB /petition's TMO. It goes on to prove that FFA and C are creating a lot of the CS hassles. You and Lazie both said it is crazy how this has become petitionquest/frapsquest. No one likes playing that way. We certainly didn't and that is why we remain in Class R. Don't have to petition crap or deal with trains.

All I am saying is, whether you like it or not, you agree with Chest insomuch that you hate petitionquest/frapsquest/ruleslawyerquest.